Christian Goverment Belief?

[Screamin-GOD-Till-I-Die]

Im 16 i personally could care les about the goverment or the voting and whatnot cuss all it is is someone telling me how to live my life. Thats how i see it,but im young so what do i know ....but anyway i see democrats and republicans everywere does god want me ot be a republican or demo or could he care less....

Personally i see it as God is supposed ot be #1 as in loved before my dad mother family and friends pus people around me (considering he says that), so i was just askin if i have to be a replican or demo cuss everyoen in school talks **** about bush i feal bad for the guy so i tell em to get a life your yougn dont get involved!

 

[Knight]

Ok, here goes......

First of all, you might want to clean up your grammar and spelling in future posts. People will take you a little more seriously if you at least make an effort. Just some friendly advice.

Now, to the subject of your post......

Read Romans 13. As Christians we are called to obey the governing authorities. And this was written when those authorities were quite a bit more severe than what we have now in the USA. Casually dismissing the governing authorities is not the Christian way.

It is my belief that Christians in the USA have a duty and responsibility to take part in the governmental process. We can do this by voting, running for offices, petitioning our leaders, etc. We are not to disobey those authorities but our system of government allows us liberties in these areas.

Politically speaking you are free to choose whatever party you wish to belong to. I would recommend investigating the party's beliefs and values to see how close it is to Christian values. Failing that, you can choose to be independant.

 

[Higgaion]

Screamin Im 16 i personally could care les about the goverment or the voting and whatnot cuss all it is is someone telling me how to live my life. Thats how i see it,but im young so what do i know ....but anyway i see democrats and republicans everywere does god want me ot be a republican or demo or could he care less....

God also tells us how to live our lives. Assuming you’re a Christian, do you want to influence and petition the gov’t to put in place godly laws that lead to true freedom, or do you want it to pass unjust ones that tyrannize the populace and hamper freedom? No, in my opinion God doesn’t want you to be a Republican or Dem. Neither of those parties has real integrity or represents the interests of Christians. Their main objectives, at least on the state and national levels, are to gain power and keep it, lining their pockets along the way. Unfortunately, there really is no party today that faithfully represents Christian interests, although the U.S. Constitution Party comes close. You might want to consider visiting their website. But it’s really not about party affiliation in the end. God wants us to stand up for the truths found in his Word, and not make cynical compromises with the world or politicians. At least, that’s how I see it.

Personally i see it as God is supposed ot be #1 as in loved before my dad mother family and friends pus people around me (considering he says that), so i was just askin if i have to be a replican or demo cuss everyoen in school talks **** about bush i feal bad for the guy so i tell em to get a life your yougn dont get involved!

Well said. Love God and never compromise for political expediency. The ends never justifies the means.

 

[Bayhawks83]

just vote for the best pro-life candidate.

 

[Knight]

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God also tells us how to live our lives. Assuming you’re a Christian, do you want to influence and petition the gov’t to put in place godly laws that lead to true freedom, or do you want it to pass unjust ones that tyrannize the populace and hamper freedom? No, in my opinion God doesn’t want you to be a Republican or Dem. Neither of those parties has real integrity or represents the interests of Christians. Their main objectives, at least on the state and national levels, are to gain power and keep it, lining their pockets along the way. Unfortunately, there really is no party today that faithfully represents Christian interests, although the U.S. Constitution Party comes close. You might want to consider visiting their website. But it’s really not about party affiliation in the end. God wants us to stand up for the truths found in his Word, and not make cynical compromises with the world or politicians. At least, that’s how I see it.

Are you suggesting that one cannot be a Christian and belong to a political party?

(I'm not attacking here, just asking.)

 

[MikeMcK]

just vote for the best pro-life candidate.

As prolife as I am, voting for someone just because he's prolife is a lousy way to choose a candidate.

If you're concerned about abortion, the much better choice would be to find a candidate who believes in the sanctity of the Constitution and will send abortion issues back to the states where they belong.

One issue voters have missed the big picture and one issue candidates rarely win.

 

[Higgaion]

Knight Are you suggesting that one cannot be a Christian and belong to a political party?

Not at all. However, I do find it rather alarming and sad that so many Christians seem to believe that the Republican party is truly conservative and "Christian" and therefore deserving of their support and votes.

Bayhawks83 If you're concerned about abortion, the much better choice would be to find a candidate who believes in the sanctity of the Constitution and will send abortion issues back to the states where they belong.

That's a very good point. Congressmen, Senators, Presidents and judges all take oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution, which they almost all then proceed to ignore and violate once they're in. But the really sad thing is that I really don't think the majority of them even understand it or what they're doing. They're just clueless.

 

[Knight]

Not at all. However, I do find it rather alarming and sad that so many Christians seem to believe that the Republican party is truly conservative and "Christian" and therefore deserving of their support and votes.[/QUOTE]

At it's core I believe that conservatism best represents Christianity in the political arena. Are there corrupt conservative politicians? Yes. However, I still believe that the GOP gives the best representation of Christian values in the political arena. This does not mean I check my brain at the door of the voting booth and pull the big "R" switch.

 

[Higgaion]

Oops, sorry for attributing Mike's post to Bayhawks...

 

[Higgaion]

At it's core I believe that conservatism best represents Christianity in the political arena.

But different people have different ideas about what Conservatism is. For example, currently there is the big struggle between those calling themselves "paleoconservatives" who largely oppose big gov't and ambitious, interventionist foreign policy, and tend to be more critical of Israel, and so-called neocons that control the Republican party and are running the war in Iraq.

Personally, I'm not satisfied with either of the two, though I approve much more of the former.

Are there corrupt conservative politicians? Yes. However, I still believe that the GOP gives the best representation of Christian values in the political arena. This does not mean I check my brain at the door of the voting booth and pull the big "R" switch.

I get what you're saying, and I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think the GOP has suckered Christians and fleeced them for money, while failing to deliver...well, anything really. There are other parties. like the aforementioned Constititution, that are much more friendly to Christian issues and, I believe, would do a much better job if the GOP was taken out of the way.

 

[Knight]

But different people have different ideas about what Conservatism is. For example, currently there is the big struggle between those calling themselves "paleoconservatives" who largely oppose big gov't and ambitious, interventionist foreign policy, and tend to be more critical of Israel, and so-called neocons that control the Republican party and are running the war in Iraq.

This is normal in any organization run by people. (ie: sinful man) There are extreemists on both sides. The liberals have their wackos as do conservatives. If you're looking for perfection you're not going to find it.

Personally, I'm not satisfied with either of the two, though I approve much more of the former.

Suit yourself. I have no desire to delve into the issues with you on this forum. There is a separate place on CF for that discussion.

I get what you're saying, and I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think the GOP has suckered Christians and fleeced them for money, while failing to deliver...well, anything really. There are other parties. like the aforementioned Constititution, that are much more friendly to Christian issues and, I believe, would do a much better job if the GOP was taken out of the way.

Funny, they haven't got a dime from me or my family. Republicans get most of their money from corporations not individual donations. I know of no Christian who has donated a significant portion of their income to the GOP. In fact, more of my income goes to support liberal entitlement programs. Not that I have a choice in that matter.

Also, there is a difference between what the organization stands for and what it's members do. You're judging the entire party based on what some of it's leaders have done. There are good conservative Christians in the GOP. If you want a political party that is free from corruption or the possibility of corruption I'm afraid you are not going to find it.

I happen to like the Constitution party myself. However, they are not a significant power in this country right now. Nor are they likely to be in the near future.