Christian Goths

[goth4God]

I'd love to find other Christian goths on this site!
Hope to find a few new friends =]

 

[PaxThroughX]

does metalhead count?

 

[nancy44]

Hope to find a few new friends =]

 

[PaxThroughX]

its like christian porn, or a catholic abortion clinic, or an agoraphobia travel club, or a claustrophobia splelunking club. christian goth? Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14

Dude cmon rlly? Thats like saying christian rappers are like murders etc.

 

[goth4God]

now I remember why I don't come on here.
way to show God's love to someone you think isn't on the right path. cuz if I wasn't already a christian & met you I wouldn't want to be one.
please think before you speak, you might be turning off peole to our faith, therefore condeming people to hell & failing God. you are accountable for every action.
I'm not really goth anymore, but it's nice to see how people treat others they don't understand.
if I was looking for yuppy preps you probably wouldn't have an issue, even though christian goths show more of christ's love than normal preppy christians.
maybe it's cuz we understand what it is like to be hated by people who only look at the surface.

 

[PaxThroughX]

now I remember why I don't come on here.
way to show God's love to someone you think isn't on the right path. cuz if I wasn't already a christian & met you I wouldn't want to be one.
please think before you speak, you might be turning off peole to our faith, therefore condeming people to hell & failing God. you are accountable for every action.
I'm not really goth anymore, but it's nice to see how people treat others they don't understand.
if I was looking for yuppy preps you probably wouldn't have an issue, even though christian goths show more of christ's love than normal preppy christians.
maybe it's cuz we understand what it is like to be hated by people who only look at the surface.

to who are you refering too?

 

[Girder of Loins]

What is goth, anyway? I've never met one, and would love to know more about my fellow brothers/sisters lifestyles!

 

[snowfam]

ok... have you actually talked to a goth? Are you friends with any? Not all as you described, are like that. WHat you mentioned is secular, not christian.

So how are we to reach the lost? Music brings people tgether of many races etc. That means, the christian music out today is sinful, right?

Ezekiel 34:4- "You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally."

Matthew 19:13-14:
"Then people brought little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked them.

Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

We cant just reject someone because there not how we think they should look like. Jesus let the children come to him. We should do the same for goths, punks, emos, metalheads, "whatever people sterotype." Again music brings people together, how better would it be for different christian genres to do the same. Trust me, its no phony buiness type deal, it really has reached the lost, or helped in the matter.

another verse to think about: Galations 3:28- "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Anyone can enter God's kingdom (as long as they are in Christ Jesus) SO what matters more, reaching the lost, and making people act like man think they should?

My brother once used these same arguments. He has a lot of problems in life and no longer believes in God. There are some things that have no place in the christian way of life. Musical genres that generally promote dark, hedonistic ways of life being used for Christ. What drives many possible converts away from the church is the fact that many people who proclaim to be belivers live a life that is inconsitant with what is laid out in Gods word.

That being said I would welcome you as a friend and discuss the scriptures all day with you. I once wanted to serve God and mammon as well it let to a big mess but taught me a lot. I love all brothers and sisters no matter their view but I wont not speak if I see somthing wrong not because it offends me but because it is contrary to truth.

 

[Girder of Loins]

We are not to be of the world. But we are in it nonetheless. Should you stop wearing clothes? Because that is a socially-accepted normality and is therefore worldly. Should you stop drinking water? That is another social norm.

Obviously, I am stretching your argument to the point of insanity to make a point. We are not to imitate the world, but rather change the world through our individual expression of agape. We are not to judge, and we are to live out agape in the way God made us.

For some, this uses Gothic style of dress and thinking. Some people are just downright gloomy and find God in the darkness. I know I used to(and still do occasionally). Sometimes, one needs the pain to know that you're alive. Some more than others. More power to you if you don't, but some do need it. Am I condoning self-mutilation?

No! This defeats the purpose of forgiveness and how we are to walk in the Light, but if there exists only light in our life, how can we appreciate it? I remember a Christian fantasy book I once read that sums it up nicely.

This book was set in Medieval times, and God was this weaver who wove the paintings of a person. God made each of us beautiful, but in each portrait, there would be one "ugly and black" string running down the stitchwork. The antagonist tried to rip the black thread out of one, and when he looked upon the work, he found all the colours to be very blah and mute. The black was the backdrop that made all the other colours "pop". So a Christian goth does not contemplate the darkness and pain in order to embrace it, but rather to acknowldge it and use it to appreciate the light better.

Mind you, I am merely guessing as to what a goth actually believes, but I think I have it right. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[PaxThroughX]

My brother once used these same arguments. He has a lot of problems in life and no longer believes in God. There are some things that have no place in the christian way of life. Musical genres that generally promote dark, hedonistic ways of life being used for Christ. What drives many possible converts away from the church is the fact that many people who proclaim to be belivers live a life that is inconsitant with what is laid out in Gods word.

That being said I would welcome you as a friend and discuss the scriptures all day with you. I once wanted to serve God and mammon as well it let to a big mess but taught me a lot. I love all brothers and sisters no matter their view but I wont not speak if I see somthing wrong not because it offends me but because it is contrary to truth.

There are some things that have no place in the christian way of life. Musical genres that generally promote dark, hedonistic ways of life being used for Christ

I will pray for you. If it is being use for Christ, than it doesnt promote darkness. If you want to know what promotes darkness i can simply clairfy your misconceptions.

That being said I would welcome you as a friend and discuss the scriptures all day with you.

lets do it say on my profile instead of hear, you say musical genres promoting genres drive people away, however as goth4God said: she doesnt come on here because of the people. Come on, we should all be here for God or to even further grow in our walks, not pick at every little thing.

 

[Girder of Loins]

don't GUESS!

I am merely making an educated guess on what every "goth" holds(regardless of religious affiliation).

Goth's whole idealogy is surrounded in darkness, its whole attitude is darkness, get some spiritual discernment, or you really are going to be a blind guide, unable to tell right from wrong, good from evil

Perhaps they(Christians with a gothic lifestyle) want to outwardly express the darkness of their past fallen nature so as to appreciate the light given to them.

Maybe what we perceive as "darkness" is "light' to them, and they are expressing that light.

Christianity is not a "cookie-cutter" religion. It is a melting pot of ideas and lifestyles absorbed around one common interest: the pursuit of Christ and the advancement of His Kingdom. While each path is different(to a degree), they all end up in Christ.

 

[PaxThroughX]

I am merely making an educated guess on what every "goth" holds(regardless of religious affiliation).



Perhaps they(Christians with a gothic lifestyle) want to outwardly express the darkness of their past fallen nature so as to appreciate the light given to them.

Maybe what we perceive as "darkness" is "light' to them, and they are expressing that light.

Christianity is not a "cookie-cutter" religion. It is a melting pot of ideas and lifestyles absorbed around one common interest: the pursuit of Christ and the advancement of His Kingdom. While each path is different(to a degree), they all end up in Christ.

Amen to that!

 

[Girder of Loins]

Is a Christian "Goth" sinning?

And I find it funny that in those verses, Jesus is condemning someone who is too legalistic about their faith. Ironic.

 

[BRERDO]

don't GUESS!

Goth's whole idealogy is surrounded in darkness, its whole attitude is darkness, get some spiritual discernment, or you really are going to be a blind guide, unable to tell right from wrong, good from evil

When did guessing not become synonymous with speaking personal opinion, both on the same matter?

Darkness, dispair, strife, angst and disdain do not go hand in hand with considering oneself "Goth". Could someone not also be those things and attend mass daily or enjoy classical music and hot air balloon rides? Yes. To be a Goth is to accept the differences you have with the normalcy of society in which you live. It is a way to distinguish yourself on a physical, emotional and social level. Dark clothes is part of it. So is hair dye, jewelry and beautiful poetry. If a Goth goes to church, do they wear boots and a button shirt? Sure. If a cowboy goes to church, do they wear boots and a button shirt? Yep.

Is your viewpoint personal as in your own beliefs and you are using scripture here to get your own point across?

What about bands who have had commercial success that were formed and are guided under their faith in God? Bands like Fireflight, Flyleaf, Red and Icon For Hire. They could be considered Goth if heard and viewed by the right (or wrong) person.

Plain and simple. Goth is about embracing the differences you have with others and about establishing the community with like-minded beliefs in yourself and others. Sure, there are some that delve in darkness, just like there are some Pastors who embezzle money from their congregation and just like some politicians who get elected to change Washington and then vote "no" on every bill sponsored by the other party. Things happen but you cannot lump something together when it does not flow with 100% of what is involved. Water vaporizes. 100% Sun rises and sets. 1000% A 14 year old Goth kid practices Wicca. Not all Goths are Wiccan.

I am sorry for the tone of this but I grew up Goth and I am in my 35th year now and it is still with me, even though I do not shroud myself in constant black. God does not dictate personality, only character. Goth is part of ones personality.

 

[back2thebible]

When did guessing not become synonymous with speaking personal opinion, both on the same matter?

Darkness, dispair, strife, angst and disdain do not go hand in hand with considering oneself "Goth". Could someone not also be those things and attend mass daily or enjoy classical music and hot air balloon rides? Yes. To be a Goth is to accept the differences you have with the normalcy of society in which you live. It is a way to distinguish yourself on a physical, emotional and social level. Dark clothes is part of it. So is hair dye, jewelry and beautiful poetry. If a Goth goes to church, do they wear boots and a button shirt? Sure. If a cowboy goes to church, do they wear boots and a button shirt? Yep.

Is your viewpoint personal as in your own beliefs and you are using scripture here to get your own point across?

What about bands who have had commercial success that were formed and are guided under their faith in God? Bands like Fireflight, Flyleaf, Red and Icon For Hire. They could be considered Goth if heard and viewed by the right (or wrong) person.

Plain and simple. Goth is about embracing the differences you have with others and about establishing the community with like-minded beliefs in yourself and others. Sure, there are some that delve in darkness, just like there are some Pastors who embezzle money from their congregation and just like some politicians who get elected to change Washington and then vote "no" on every bill sponsored by the other party. Things happen but you cannot lump something together when it does not flow with 100% of what is involved. Water vaporizes. 100% Sun rises and sets. 1000% A 14 year old Goth kid practices Wicca. Not all Goths are Wiccan.

I am sorry for the tone of this but I grew up Goth and I am in my 35th year now and it is still with me, even though I do not shroud myself in constant black. God does not dictate personality, only character. Goth is part of ones personality.

1 Corinthians 3:10-15

10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.


many people will do a great many things under the banner of Christianity, and all of it will be judged by fire.........I imagine many folks believe they are doing a good work............much like a methadone clinic believes its doing a good work

 

[BRERDO]

How about a Punk Christian? Hippie Christian? Mod Christian? Grunge Christian? Stoner Christian? Jock Christian? Beatnik Christian? Are these terms oxymorons as well? I am sure there are others.

I think you are watching a Goth barrel spin round and round and you reach in and pull one out. The one you grab may be what you characterize as Goth but it does not justify judging and labeling the whole by the one you have had experience with. This goes with everything. How is that even righteous.

It reminds me of the movie Footloose. The preacher hates dancing. Kevin Bacon dances. Kevin Bacon isn't that bad of a guy. The preacher ends up realizing his fault and likes Kevin Bacon, thereby accepting dancing.

 

[Girder of Loins]

To back2thebible,

Each verse you quote, you have taken terribly out of context. What does it mean to be "of the world"? Does it mean we cannot do anything like the world? If so, all clothing is out, medicine is out, education is out, language is out, reading is out, in fact, living is out. If you live, you are just like all the other vile sinners out in the world. Your very existence trumps your own argument.

Beyond that, I have come to the realization that it is not the actions we do(to a degree) that make something a sin, but it is the intention that makes it a sin. We use the terms "good" and "bad" far too often. Those are relative terms! Something can be good in one case, but bad in another. I prefer to use "righteous" and "unrighteous", as those are absolute. These terms deal with intention, not action. One can do a good work(such as feeding the homeless) and it still be unrighteous by not giving the glory to God. So for someone to dress a certain way can be righteous if the person gives glory to God through it. While it may be a "bad" decision relative to you, to someone in that lifestyle(or any other lifestyle such as "prep", "jock", "punk", "hipster", "urban", et cetera) it is something "good". But it is up to the intention in their hearts as to whether it is going to be a righteous action, and that is all that matters.

Now, specific sins are out of the question, and that is why I said intentions are all that matter to a degree. So don't try to put words in my mouth or take this out of context.

 

[PaxThroughX]

To back2thebible,

Each verse you quote, you have taken terribly out of context. What does it mean to be "of the world"? Does it mean we cannot do anything like the world? If so, all clothing is out, medicine is out, education is out, language is out, reading is out, in fact, living is out. If you live, you are just like all the other vile sinners out in the world. Your very existence trumps your own argument.

Beyond that, I have come to the realization that it is not the actions we do(to a degree) that make something a sin, but it is the intention that makes it a sin. We use the terms "good" and "bad" far too often. Those are relative terms! Something can be good in one case, but bad in another. I prefer to use "righteous" and "unrighteous", as those are absolute. These terms deal with intention, not action. One can do a good work(such as feeding the homeless) and it still be unrighteous by not giving the glory to God. So for someone to dress a certain way can be righteous if the person gives glory to God through it. While it may be a "bad" decision relative to you, to someone in that lifestyle(or any other lifestyle such as "prep", "jock", "punk", "hipster", "urban", et cetera) it is something "good". But it is up to the intention in their hearts as to whether it is going to be a righteous action, and that is all that matters.

Now, specific sins are out of the question, and that is why I said intentions are all that matter to a degree. So don't try to put words in my mouth or take this out of context.

I couldnt say it any better, im sure he will want a verse for that because it feeds his selfish desires to put others down. Im sorry, but he will probably use this against you. Well we are in the last days so.

 

[goth4God]

Honestly, I don't really see a point in debating this. I have done it with many people many times and in the end everyone holds the same views as they started with.
If anyone has any questions, and not debate, just message me privately.

 

[BRERDO]

They had vampires back in them days?