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Hi Nadine. Your report of me will also keep me from debating here.Gwenyfir, your muscle bound dog there will keep me from all debate here lol
Are non-conservative or non-nicene staff being demoted or removed without any notice??
Because that seems very, very unfair !!!±!
Hi. Is Lee still going to keep Nicene and non-Nicene seperate? Just wondering. Thanks.It is a workable starting point.
All rules are provisional and should be treated as such. The rules should serve the community, not the community the rules.
Walks,
I agree with you.
I was on the fence with this issue. However, your point is valid and you are correct in how it can resolve itself.
I would also like to add to this that if the reports stay open there needs to be strict guidelines on who is allowed to post in these threads and who are not.
I have seen friends of the reported person rush the thread to defend their friend, which leads to problems.
AND the rules equally applied to ALL POSTING. Including staff.
Something rarely done to date.
I think open reports has led to a lot of hostility and conflict.
Thing is...if it works in other places. And it does. Then it is not per se a bad idea.
It was the nature of this site and the ingrained combative nature that made it a problem. And that problem was not resolved by open reports...it just spread the venom. I am not alone in that opinion.
TankGirl said:Actually, I think you'll find this is a Christian Forum - non-Christians are under absolutely no obligation to post here.
LeeD said:In order to make sure that we can make the forum a better place for everyone, I am going to:
- Gather a small group of advisory members
- Create private staff forums to discuss staff structure and policy going forward.
- Return the site to a more inreach focus as contrasted with outreach. This will not affect access for non-Christians.
- Work with Christian and non-Christian staff to determine where non-Christian staff may mod.
- Create a new policy for staff. Staff serve at my pleasure, they will no longer be elected or subject to member recall.
- Instate a reconciliation team to handle appeals, mediate member-member conflict, staff-member conflict, oversee staff, and make recommendations to my designee as concerns staff discipline, and or staff removal.
- Provide a wiki formatted forum for members to discuss a rule or provide solutions to a problem.
- Turn on the infraction system with some modifications.
ParsonJefferson said:You make a good point.
But I think it's important to understand that this forum originally was a CHRISTIAN forum. So when non-Christians come in here, and start bashing and mocking Christians, there's a real problem. I cannot speak for anyone else here, but I would NEVER go to a Muslim forum and start saying stuff like, "Allah is a pig and Mohammad is a harlot" or some such offensive tripe.
I think non-Christians owe us the same respect on what was/is supposed to be a Christian forum
I agree with you, however there should be equal respect, and no one should be offered a license to bash, and thus is what will happen if the rules are not applied equally, unless there is something in the Bible that commands not to.
Hi Oxy. You ready for another "boxing match" on Jesus being God?
I think open reports has led to a lot of hostility and conflict.
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Dude! I can't tell you how much I've missed you!
tulc(drinking whatever kind Mrs.tulc has made!)
Exactly, and I also am glad that the time was taken to see and read and observe and cut through all the muddy waters that started this mess in the first place. It is refreshing to see clear direction and purpose. I am trusting that all these rabbit trails, side issues, have been waded through and that Lee will not allow it to grow murky again.I was given a good tip to see who reports ppl.
If you put someone on ignore, you can see who's post isnt showing.. so you know who reported you.
Open reports have caused alot of arguing. And bad feelings.
BUT I am going to skip over opinions and just say... statistics are good for something...
They are proof positive that the 'new rules' didn't work [or lack thereof] and many people either gave up their support and or left.
The traffic decreased, and ppl who stayed were more contentious. [No man is law unto themselves]
So, given the fact that 3 months of testing the new idea shows it either didnt work, or it worked rather poorly ~ is that particular truth which is the only guage we really need.
When the Christian forum had Christian rules, and had the Nicene Creed the traffic was higher, the support was greater and the arguing was minor.
Relativism caused this site to loss it's identity. And since it was always a Christian base, it would do well to return to its roots.
Kudos LeeD for seeing the difference and implementing that which actually works.
You lost alot of good staff due to the changes and the chaos that ensued. Not only those who quit but also left this site.
Reinstating the old system with some minor tweeks will be the most productive.
For instance allowing non Christians into other areas to ask questions [seekers] and not to argue or ridicule. To make this place civil again.
And let the ones who want to disturb the peace, take it outside somewhere.
God Bless.
Hope this made some sense.
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