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Ryder said:
Of course that could be said for any scientific theory.
Can you name one scientific theory that requires God?
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Ryder said:Psalm 111:10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever."
The absence of God (or at the least, the absence of His necessity) is the beginning of evolution.
Ryder said:Interesting... And here's what I actually said,
I merely raised the question, why believe in evolution if you're a Christian? Not, you'd better believe in creationism or you'll go to hell!
But hey, thanks for trying to put words in my mouth by association.
Ryder said:Well, if you claim that you don't want to start by throwing God out of the picture, from a Christian perspective that is, then why evolution? If creatures look like they are very complicated, barely a mistake in their form for what they do, then why the big complicated evolutionary explination? Why didn't God just design them so complicated and suited for their purposes? Evolution seems like a very complicated and unnecessary step if you already have God in the picture.
If anyone shall set the authority of Holy Writ against clear and manifest reason, he who does this knows not what he has undertaken; for he opposes to the truth not the meaning of the Bible, which is beyond his comprehension, but rather his own interpretation; not what is in the Bible, but what he has found in himself and imagines to be there.
St. Augustine [in the seventh letter to Marcellinus]
Fear can mean respect. A good son has a healthy 'fear' of his father, he's afraid to dishonor or shame his father.Mistermystery said:So you basically believe because you *fear* God? Is that the basis of your belief? And you even call it healthy?
**Woosh** There went the whole notion I had of Christianity.
Respect can also come from love or admiration. If someone acts out of fear, they are using the base instinct of self-preservation. This is a reflection on the person holding the fear, not the father who should be respected. IMO, this is anything but healthy. Respect must be earned. It cannot be commanded.Ryder said:Fear can mean respect. A good son has a healthy 'fear' of his father, he's afraid to dishonor or shame his father.
Well I suppose that's one posibility (albeit a farfetched on if you ask me). Thanks for clearing that up.Ryder said:Fear can mean respect. A good son has a healthy 'fear' of his father, he's afraid to dishonor or shame his father.
evolution is the backbone of biology and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on unproven theory. Is it then a science or a faith? Belief in the theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to belief in special creation. Both are concepts which the believers know to be true, but neither, up to the present, has been capable of proof. L.H. Matthews, Introduction to Origin of the Species, by Charles Darwin (1971 edition), pp. x, xi.Split Rock said:Evolution is a scientific theory. The only "appeal" is that it works. It is the only scientific explanation for the distribution and diversity of life on earth that explains the evidence. For science, it is irrelevant whether or not a theory is emotionally pleasing, all that matters is that it works.
Ryder said: evolution is the backbone of biology and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on unproven theory. Is it then a science or a faith? Belief in the theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to belief in special creation. Both are concepts which the believers know to be true, but neither, up to the present, has been capable of proof. L.H. Matthews, Introduction to Origin of the Species, by Charles Darwin (1971 edition), pp. x, xi.
[The theory of evolution] "forms a satisfactory faith on which to base our interpretation of nature." Harrison Matthews. Introduction to Origin of Species (1977 edition) p. xxii.
The theory of evolution is impossible. At base, in spite of appearances, no one any longer believes in it .Evolution is a kind of dogma which the priests no longer believe, but which they maintain for their people. Paul Lemoine. Encyclopedie Francaise 1937 edition. (President of the Geological Society of France and director of the Natural History Museum in Paris.)
"The facts must mold the theories, not the theories the facts . . I am most critical of my biologist friends in this matter. Try telling a biologist that, impartially judged among other accepted theories of science, such as the theory of relativity, it seems to you that the theory of natural selection has a very uncertain, hypothetical status, and watch his reaction. I'll bet you that he gets red in the face. This is `religion,' not `science,' with him." Burton, "The Human Side of the Physiologist: Prejudice and Poetry," Physiologist 2 (1957).
Mistermystery said:Okay andrea, now it just got annoying. Can you also form your own opinion/questions/ideas in your own words, instead of mindlessly copying it from other websites?
Andrea77 said:As a christian I do not accept evolution simply because of its roots.
Jesus said in Matthew 7:15-20
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognise them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognise them.
If evolution is the fruit of a bad tree a christian should not accept it.
The concept of evolution did not originate with Charles Darwin. It
has been the essential ingredient of all pagan religions and
philosophies from time immemorial (e.g., atomism, pantheism, stoicism,
gnosticism and all other humanistic and polytheistic systems). All
beliefs which assume the ultimacy of the space/time/matter universe,
presupposing that the universe has existed from eternity, are
fundamentally evolutionary systems. The cosmos, with its innate laws and
forces, is the only ultimate reality. Depending on the sophistication of
the system, the forces of the universe may be personified as gods and
goddesses who organized the eternal chaotic cosmos into its present form
(as in ancient Babylonian and Egyptian religions), or else may
themselves be invested with organizing capabilities (as in modern
scientific evolutionism). In all such cases, these are merely different
varieties of the fundamental evolutionist world view, the essential
feature of which is the denial that there is one true God and Creator of
all things.
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/evolreli.txt
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/evolmore.htm
"Evolution, a foundational principle of modern biology, is supported by overwhelming scientific evidence and is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Because it is fundamental to the understanding of modern biology, the faculty in the Biology Department at Baylor University, Waco, TX, teach evolution throughout the biology curriculum. We are in accordance with the American Association for Advancement of Science's statement on evolution. We are a science department, so we do not teach alternative hypotheses or philosophically deduced theories that cannot be tested rigorously."
Chartered in 1845 by the Republic of Texas and affiliated with the Baptist General Convention of Texas, Baylor is the oldest institution of higher learning in the state and the largest Baptist university in the world.
Late_Cretaceous said:I suppose a good christian believes in bible code, but does not accept evolutionary theory. It almost makes me want to convert to some other religion.
random_guy said:So you believe that if you're a good Christian, you should reject Evolution? You would also be against sending your kids to pagan schools such as Notre Dame, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, BYU, Baylor University, etc...?
Just for fun, here's Baylor University's statement on evolution:
And here's a statement about Baylor:
How does one distort the teachings of Christ any more than you may be said to do?Andrea77 said:I do not follow man made denomanations as most of them distort the teachings of Christ. So the above means nothing to me.
random_guy said:If evolution was declared to be anti-Christian and anti-Biblical by all Christian faiths, how many scientists would stop being Christian? How many people would stop being Christian?
Andrea77 said:I do not follow man made denomanations as most of them distort the teachings of Christ. So the above means nothing to me.
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