I've seen some people who proclaimed they are Christians but believe in Evolution...how is this possible??? Can a Christian believe in God yet contradict His creation method from Genesis by believing in Evolution????
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Christian Evolutionist
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Sure... There are many, many people who do this. All it takes is a bit of an open mind and and the recognition that the Bible was written by man and has many metaphors and stories/examples of how God wants you to act in it. Thus, the stories in it are not taken litterally, as they obviously conflict with many established scientific laws and theories.
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Sure, many do.
You didn't think that all those scientists and science teachers who accept evolution were atheists did you? Considering that 75% of this country are Christian, it is only reasonable to conclude that there are a large number of Christians working with biology and evolution on a daily basis.
Biology depends on it. Do you think you can be a biologist and a Christian at the same time?
Accepting Christ has nothing to do with accepting sound science. Anyone who tells you different should rethink their position.
You didn't think that all those scientists and science teachers who accept evolution were atheists did you? Considering that 75% of this country are Christian, it is only reasonable to conclude that there are a large number of Christians working with biology and evolution on a daily basis.
Biology depends on it. Do you think you can be a biologist and a Christian at the same time?
Accepting Christ has nothing to do with accepting sound science. Anyone who tells you different should rethink their position.
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notto said:
But how? and why? Denying Creation is like actually denying the book of Genesis wouldnt it? I mean Genesis isnt a Evolution theory book, but a Creationism book on how God created the world...Im confused...
You say theres 75% of this country are Christians, but im willing to bet that prolly 30% of them are actually Christians, for many forget that there are counterfeit christians out there...
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fanatiquefou
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I'm a Christian, and I accept evolution. If you want to talk to more theistic evolutionists, you might want to visit the creation and evolution forum in the Christians-only section of this board - you'll find a lot of us there!
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Master X said:
Thank goodness God designated you to judge who is and isn't a Christian. I'm sure He is quite relieved to no longer have such a burden on His shoulders.
::rolls eyes::
Let me ask you something. What would you call someone who thinks the universe is 13+ billion years old, that the earth is 4.6 billion years old, that life has evolved on the earth from single-celled organisms to the diversity we see today, that the universe was created by God, that God chose the Hebrews to be His chosen people on earth, that God gave the Hebrews a moral code which to live by, that God came to earth in human form and gave his life as payment for the transgressions mankind has made against His moral code, and that on the third day after his death Jesus rose from the dead and met with his disciples on various occasions.
A person who believes in God, who accepts Jesus Christ as their personal savior, and who happens to think life on earth has evolved?
Personally, I'd call that person a Christian.
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What's a counterfeit Christian? Someone who pretends to be a Christian but isn't? Someone who uses Christianity to bilk people out of money? Someone who doesn't meet your approval?Master X said:
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Nathan Poe
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Master X said:
But Genesis is not God, and reading it as literal fact is not a requirement for Christianity.
And many forget that it's not their place to say who's who.
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Late_Cretaceous
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There are alot of christians who believe that the Earth moves around the sun. Yet that contradicts the bible. In Joshua 10:13 it clearly says that the sun was commanded to stop in the sky. According to the bible the sun moves, not the earth - the earth is fixed and immobile. Yet there are people who proclaim themselves to be christians and who believe this blasphemy that the earth moves.
Lets take a page from Martin Luther on how wrong this astronomy **** is.
Lets take a page from Martin Luther on how wrong this astronomy **** is.
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Master X said:
I don't consider studying creation in detail and finding the works of God facinating denying creation. I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. You do understand the theistic part of theistic evolution, don't you?
Genesis is not a creationism book. Your interpretation of it makes it that for you. I see something completely different when I look at Genesis. I see it as confirmation of God's involvement in the creation we study through science.
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Hello Master X,
I suspect that most Biblical literalists/Fundamentalists have this problem themselves.
Not only did the ancients believe that God was directly involved in the creation of the universe and life, as in Genesis, but they also believed that he was directly involved in all aspects of Nature. Thus in Job and parts of the Psalms we read that he is directly involved in the origin and maintenance of various weather phenomena. For example in Gen 1, God says let there be light, and there was light. In Job 37 he says Be thou on earth and so it rains. In Job we are informed that God makes the grass grow. In Psalms we see that he causes fetuses to grow. And so it goes.
Few who reject evolution because of Genesis would reject modern meteorological theory and medical theory because of Job and Psalms. Why?
Regards, Roland
Master X said:
I suspect that most Biblical literalists/Fundamentalists have this problem themselves.
Not only did the ancients believe that God was directly involved in the creation of the universe and life, as in Genesis, but they also believed that he was directly involved in all aspects of Nature. Thus in Job and parts of the Psalms we read that he is directly involved in the origin and maintenance of various weather phenomena. For example in Gen 1, God says let there be light, and there was light. In Job 37 he says Be thou on earth and so it rains. In Job we are informed that God makes the grass grow. In Psalms we see that he causes fetuses to grow. And so it goes.
Few who reject evolution because of Genesis would reject modern meteorological theory and medical theory because of Job and Psalms. Why?
Regards, Roland
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Late_Cretaceous said:
I was actually reading a site like that last night:
http://www.geocentric-universe.com
I wonder how many YECs can see the similarity in this position to theirs. They interpret the Bible one way, assume it must be True as it's the Word of God, then try to fit reality around it. Also, Geocentrics say that YECs aren't "True Christians" as they accept the unscriptural view of heliocentrism, in the same way that YECs say that TE's aren't "True Christians" for not accepting spontaneous dust-to-man creation, Noachian flood etc.
Would these YECs view Geocentrics to be more Christian than they are, because they accept a more literal reading of the Bible that YECs?
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Master X said:
You do realize that Wheaton College, one of the best protestant Christian colleges in the USA, features evolution prominently in its biology curriculum? As does Notre Dame, the top Catholic university.
Whoever told you that evolution and Christianity are not compatible was lying to you.
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Garnet2727
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Master X,
Interesting name. LOL. OK...not to derail. Ask yourself this. If Genesis is not literally true, are there lessons that one may learn? What really does Genesis teach? That the 6 day creation must be literal? Or is it really something else?
Interesting name. LOL. OK...not to derail. Ask yourself this. If Genesis is not literally true, are there lessons that one may learn? What really does Genesis teach? That the 6 day creation must be literal? Or is it really something else?
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Nathan Poe said:
Me personally, im a Creationist.
But think for a second, because we believe in our God that He arose Himself from the dead, and gave us a second chance to be made right in His sight....and we worship Him, wouldnt it make sense to take Genesis literally??? To become astounish by His great power in creating all things???? I mean to NOT take the Bible seriously and literally is like saying " I believe in God, but not admire His voice and great power, knowledge and understanding."
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Master X said:
Who said anything about not taking the Bible seriously or not admiring his voice and great power, knowledge, and understanding?
You are putting words into peoples mouths.
Studying the creation certainly leads me to great admiration of Gods voice, power, knowledge, and understanding and I certainly take the bible seriously. Seriously is not the same as literally. I take it serious and realize that my interpretation can't conflict with the actual creation. In that regard, I would think that I take it with more serious reflection then the creationist who ignores what the actual creation tells us about these things.
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