CHRISTIAN DAYCARE WORKERS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO CALL A LITTLE GIRL A BOY

[createdtoworship]

Dude you don't even know what peer review is and my link refutes averything your links have said.

I know what peer review is.

there are things about peer review that I would share with you, but I dont think our discussion is there yet.

your post commits a fallacy of ad hominem, or an attack on another's character.

probably 3-4 other fallacies if I wanted to pick at it.

just attempt to use facts is your posts, thats all I am saying.

 

[createdtoworship]

You've just been reported for insulting members here. You can not write well and that is a fact. If you can't accept that after three people have kindly told you then I don't know what to say.

No one has attacked you in any way. You simply refuse to take corrective criticism at face value.

well reporting on false positives is a way to get the thread closed,

I highly advise only reporting flames or things that are not allowed on the forum.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

sir, you need to post your refutation.

you cannot simply say "this is refuted" without posting your source for that info.

others too, have claimed it refuted, again, same goes for them.

as far as I have seen, no refutation has been given.

let me explain.

I post something,

you google it.

the blog that you land on shows my source as faulty,

so you post it.

but you didn't actually look at their sources.

so if you have a direct link to a professional society regarding my sources then go for it.

if not, then it is your viewpoint, not mine that does not hold water.

I already posted the link on this thread and informed you of it several times. you even quoted the post with the link on it and bypassed it twice now. If you wish to go back and find it then do so.

You, by your own postings have displayed an incredible lack of knowledge and understanding of any of the subject matter and to continue debating someone who has proven himself to be so is a gigantic waste of time and effort.

You found a document that you agree with and you continue to flash that in every bodies eyes, while you try to perpetrate this fraud that you rely on science when in reality you have circled your wagons around something that you value above all else that has been proven false.

You are not fooling anyone and you are about to become a ignored member here because of it.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

what link?

there was two links posted, that were in reference to my post, one was off topic, the other was not scholarly enough.

the quotations I give are not from your typical blogger, but from someone who has numerous peer reviews.

No, You posted two links to news articles that promote a study by the same person who has been shown to have been working from an agenda to shut down something he detested.

All you need to do is go back to one of the first posts of mine that you quoted and you will find the link.

I, after posting it continued to ask you to look at it and you ignored me up until now. I'm not going to do what you should have done back then and search it out again for you.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

well reporting on false positives is a way to get the thread closed,

I highly advise only reporting flames or things that are not allowed on the forum.

I'll count this as a usless post.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

here let me post it a third time, as you seem to be obviously dodging:

greg koukl of stand to reason ministries references this article by Wall Street Journal-

"

[P]olicy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right

in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention. This intensely felt

sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is

simply mistaken—it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes.

The transgendered suffer a disorder of "assumption" like those in other disorders familiar to psychiatrists. With the

transgendered, the disordered assumption is that the individual differs from what seems given in nature—namely one's maleness

or femaleness. Other kinds of disordered assumptions are held by those who suffer from anorexia and bulimia nervosa, where

the assumption that departs from physical reality is the belief by the dangerously thin that they are overweight….

Psychiatrists obviously must challenge the solipsistic concept that what is in the mind cannot be questioned. Disorders of

consciousness, after all, represent psychiatry's domain; declaring them off-limits would eliminate the field….

We at Johns Hopkins University—which in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into "sex-reassignment

surgery"—launched a study in the 1970s comparing the outcomes of transgendered people who had the surgery with the

outcomes of those who did not. Most of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their

subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery. And so at Hopkins we stopped

doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for

surgically amputating normal organs.

It now appears that our long-ago decision was a wise one. A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most

illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30

years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having

the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose

almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably

reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly

challenges the surgery prescription….

At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change" is biologically impossible. People

who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or

masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with

and promote a mental disorder."

http://www.str.org/articles/should-we-ban-conversion-therapy

above quote from STR.org

original source quote from http://www.wsj.com

- author Paul Mchugh

And this is the same thing you have been posting and none of it is scientific

The first link is to a Christian website. The second is to a news item and the person you mark as the authoer is the same person who has been shown to have been working on an agenda in shutting down something he dislike. He is no more than a religious activist with a badge. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I did give quotes of studies done on the peer review, at least twice.

You gave links to a Christian website and a news article. If you don't know what peer review is then google it.

 

[createdtoworship]

And this is the same thing you have been posting and none of it is scientific

The first link is to a Christian website. The second is to a news item and the person you mark as the authoer is the same person who has been shown to have been working on an agenda in shutting down something he dislike. He is no more than a religious activist with a badge. Nothing more and nothing less.

it is very hard to prove agenda's.

everyone operates from a world view, so by default everyone has an agenda.

but to prove that one document, or work was the result of an agenda is very hard.

because it involves a formal fallacy called "guilt by association."

as well as other things.

but if you wish to repost your link, I will check it out and see if this is a valid source for you.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

it is very hard to prove agenda's.

everyone operates from a world view, so by default everyone has an agenda.

but to prove that one document, or work was the result of an agenda is very hard.

because it involves a formal fallacy called "guilt by association."

as well as other things.

but if you wish to repost your link, I will check it out and see if this is a valid source for you.

Go....to...the...link...I....gave...you.
It provides all the evidence you need to make an honest assessment of wither he was working on an agenda.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

it is very hard to prove agenda's.

everyone operates from a world view, so by default everyone has an agenda.

but to prove that one document, or work was the result of an agenda is very hard.

because it involves a formal fallacy called "guilt by association."

as well as other things.

but if you wish to repost your link, I will check it out and see if this is a valid source for you.

OK here is the link. I will pm you the same link so I'll be sure you will get it.

Pleas look at it. listen to the video and post what you think about it here.

http://genderanalysis.net/2015/09/p...ransitioning-is-effective-gender-analysis-10/

 

[createdtoworship]

You gave links to a Christian website and a news article. If you don't know what peer review is then google it.

most of the time when I post direct peer review they are too technical, so I will post an intermediary that is explaining the peer review.

but if you wish to have the direct link, I think it was the wall street journal.

update:

I looked at my sources and did not track down the peer review of the author.
sorry, it was in the 70's, and I don't even think they had peer review back then.

but to bridge the gap, there is another study spanning 30 years of clinical studies on the aftermath of sex reasignment

peer review found free for download here:

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

( I attached it to this post)


this was quoted and introduced by the wall street journal regarding the author I was quoting

"
one. A 2011 study at the Karolinska

Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered,

evidence that should give advocates pause. The longterm study—up to 30 years—followed

324 people who had sexreassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10

years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental

difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20fold above the comparable

nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably

reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The

high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription.

There are subgroups of the transgendered, and for none does "reassignment" seem apt. One

group includes male prisoners like Pvt. Bradley Manning, the convicted nationalsecurity

leaker who now wishes to be called Chelsea. Facing long sentences and the rigors of a men's

prison, they have an obvious motive for wanting to change their sex and hence their prison.

Given that they committed their crimes as males, they should be punished as such; after

serving their time, they will be free to reconsider their gender.

Another subgroup consists of young men and women susceptible to suggestion from

"everything is normal" sex education, amplified by Internet chat groups. These are the

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6/7/2015 Paul McHugh: Transgender Surgery Isn't the Solution WSJ

transgender subjects most like anorexia nervosa patients: They become persuaded that

seeking a drastic physical change will banish their psychosocial problems. "Diversity"

counselors in their schools, rather like cult leaders, may encourage these young people to

distance themselves from their families and offer advice on rebutting arguments against

having transgender surgery. Treatments here must begin with removing the young person

from the suggestive environment and offering a countermessage in family therapy.

Then there is the subgroup of very young, often prepubescent children who notice distinct sex

roles in the culture and, exploring how they fit in, begin imitating the opposite sex. Misguided

doctors at medical centers including Boston's Children's Hospital have begun trying to treat

this behavior by administering pubertydelaying hormones to render later sexchange

surgeries less onerous—even though the drugs stunt the children's growth and risk causing

sterility. Given that close to 80% of such children would abandon their confusion and grow

naturally into adult life if untreated, these medical interventions come close to child abuse. A

better way to help these children: with devoted parenting.

At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. "Sex change"

is biologically impossible. People who undergo sexreassignment surgery do not change from

men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women.

Claiming that this is civilrights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to

collaborate with and promote a mental disorder."

again the article is found here:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

the peer review is found here:

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

you can download it.

 

[createdtoworship]

Go....to...the...link...I....gave...you.
It provides all the evidence you need to make an honest assessment of wither he was working on an agenda.

ok, well the study was dated thats for sure.

but there is an updated study I posted a peer review on my last post, check it out.

 

[createdtoworship]

I already posted the link on this thread and informed you of it several times. you even quoted the post with the link on it and bypassed it twice now. If you wish to go back and find it then do so.

You, by your own postings have displayed an incredible lack of knowledge and understanding of any of the subject matter and to continue debating someone who has proven himself to be so is a gigantic waste of time and effort.

You found a document that you agree with and you continue to flash that in every bodies eyes, while you try to perpetrate this fraud that you rely on science when in reality you have circled your wagons around something that you value above all else that has been proven false.

You are not fooling anyone and you are about to become a ignored member here because of it.

sir for the fourth time, your post is a blog, not a peer review.

his citations are not even peer review.

 

[Sistrin]

Go....to...the...link...I....gave...you.

This is one of the most petty and annoying tactics any poster can employ, continually referencing a link embedded somewhere in the thread as solid proof of their point while simultaneously refusing to either offer a post number of where that link is or just employing the incredibly simple strategy of posting that link again. We are twenty-one pages in here. That is a lot of ground to cover looking for your mythical missing link.

If this link you keep screaming about is so important to your point, stop wailing about it and make it available. You do know how to search your own post history, yes?

 

[Cute Tink]

hormones are ok to take as long as they suppliment what should be there.

look up "hormone treatment" for transvestites.

some male transvestites out there wish to look like a woman so they take hormones.

endocrine therapy I think it's called but not sure.

I just did a quick search and, as expected, no results of transvestites taking hormones. Transsexuals transition. Transvestites, by definition, just cross dress. Your terminology seems to be lacking.

and no, insurance should not cover it, it's ridiculous.

Medical treatments should not be covered by insurance.

 

[Cute Tink]

- author Paul Mchugh

Nothing said by Dr. Paul McHugh is really authoritative on the subject. You'll note he calls gender dysphoria a mental disorder, something the APA disagrees with and literally changed the term to gender dysphoria because it is not a mental disorder.

Read the fact sheet.

Or better yet, get yourself a copy of the DSM 5. It is free to download.

 

[Cute Tink]

A 2011 study at the Karolinska
Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered,
evidence that should give advocates pause. The longterm study—up to 30 years—followed
324 people who had sexreassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10
years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental
difficulties.

Read the actual study, not just the summaries provided by people like Dr. McHugh. The higher suicide rate only affected those who transitioned before 1989.

Also, they note that the surgery itself was very effective in doing what it was meant to do - resolve gender dysphoria. No other medical treatment is expected to solve every problem a person faces, so why is this one?

 

[bhsmte]

Businesses should be allowed to fire you for any reason they chose or you agreed they are allowed to in your contract.

Having a contract, is something most employees do not have. They simply have signed off on the general policies of the company, but the policies can be flawed.

 

[bhsmte]

that is stupid law I think. Businesses shouldn't have to bend over backwards for your conversion. You should just find another job that already accommodates you. Why put that sort of stress on the employer? You agreed to their policies. They have to change them for you? sounds selfish to me.

Well, reasonable means, they don't have to bend over backwards, hence the term; reasonable.

If an accommodation is a burden to the company and not reasonable, they don't have to provide it.

 

[Cute Tink]

@gradyll @AHH who-stole-my-name this conversation about studies about trans people is rather off topic for this thread. If you want to continue the conversation you are having, by all means, start a new thread. This topic should be returned to the purpose in the OP.