CHRISTIAN DAYCARE WORKERS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO CALL A LITTLE GIRL A BOY

Armoured · Nov 11, 2015

Aldebaran said:
He was very much on topic! He showed you a case where a person mutilated themselves because of what they "thought" they were supposed to be. Pouring drain cleaner into one's eyes in order to become blind is what's considered the right thing to do, apparently. It falls very much in line with the drastic things trans people are doing because of what they feel.

Show me the medical consensus that says pouring drain cleaner in ones eyes is clinically efficacious? Otherwise it's a red herring.

AHH who-stole-my-name · Nov 11, 2015

Born2live4ever said:
You just completely disregarded the rest of my post. Way to silence the voices of those who are actually speaking from experience. But you're not going to keep me from sharing my perspective, because the only voices that matter in discussions about trans issues are trans people. Nothing about us without us, as I've heard it said.

The presumed boy's parents being a gay couple is not inherently indicative of abuse. Can gay parents abuse their kids? Yeah, just as any other parents of any other sexuality can.

As gay people who have no doubt experienced discrimination and oppression for being who they are, this kid's parents are highly unlikely to force a queer gender identity/sexuality on their child. Being transgender comes with a ton of struggles, both internally and externally. And these two parents would be able to relate to that, even though gender and sexuality are two different things.

Without acknowledging the rest of my post, I really can't talk with you about this. Because you don't seem to care about trans issues, and refuse to learn more about people like this child.

Don't waste your time, man. I've already confronted her about a bald faced lie and posted detailed quotes of her's and mine. All she did was post a irrelevant image with a Bible scripture. This one is ignore button material straight down the line.

Jahrooshshalom · Nov 11, 2015

You don't know these people. You know what was reported in an article.
And apparently you choose to disregard the teacher that does know this child reporting that the little girl is confused. She says she's a girl one day and a boy the next. That this little girl goes from one gender to the other and as her teacher reported says that there's something at work besides this little girls own conscious awareness about her own gender. And that needs to be investigated.
When a 6 year old child is confused about their gender living in their God given body it is the responsibility of a teacher or other adult that knows this child to look into it. Not just take the word of a little child that they are this or that opposite sex just because they say they are.
Why are they saying that? Why are they confused and going back and forth? Still trying to figure it out? Figure out what? When they're in the body of a little girl and are living with two homosexual males. And now she's saying she's a boy. But then she says she's a girl.

You can't say I'm not sensitive to a Trans child's discomfort in this situation. You don't know me either. Just because I don't say, OK, "he's" clearly a boy living in the body of a girl, doesn't mean I don't realize this child needs proper attention. And especially when she's in the custody of two homosexual males who very well could be influencing her to believe she's a boy.
I don't know. And neither do you.

Born2live4ever] post: 68846306 said:
You just completely disregarded the rest of my post. Way to silence the voices of those who are actually speaking from experience. But you're not going to keep me from sharing my perspective, because the only voices that matter in discussions about trans issues are trans people. Nothing about us without us, as I've heard it said.

The presumed boy's parents being a gay couple is not inherently indicative of abuse. Can gay parents abuse their kids? Yeah, just as any other parents of any other sexuality can.

As gay people who have no doubt experienced discrimination and oppression for being who they are, this kid's parents are highly unlikely to force a queer gender identity/sexuality on their child. Being transgender comes with a ton of struggles, both internally and externally. And these two parents would be able to relate to that, even though gender and sexuality are two different things.

Without acknowledging the rest of my post, I really can't talk with you about this. Because you don't seem to care about trans issues, and refuse to learn more about people like this child.

Born2live4ever · Nov 11, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
Don't waste your time, man. I've already confronted her about a bald faced lie and posted detailed quotes of her's and mine. All she did was post a irrelevant image with a Bible scripture. This one is ignore button material straight down the line.

I was not aware of the "ignore" feature. Noted.

TLK Valentine · Nov 11, 2015

Born2live4ever said:
I was not aware of the "ignore" feature. Noted.

As tempting as the ignore feature is, remember that trolls triumph when good posters do nothing. John 3:20, and all that.

Born2live4ever · Nov 11, 2015

TLK Valentine said:
As tempting as the ignore feature is, remember that trolls triumph when good posters do nothing. John 3:20, and all that.

I think trolls are more likely to triumph when they keep someone in a pointless conversation. At this point, I see it as a lost cause, so I'm not bothering to reply to them anymore. If I did, I'd just end up stressed out and annoyed. I've got better things to do with my time than try to get someone to see things in a way that just apparently isn't compatible with their major worldview.

AHH who-stole-my-name · Nov 11, 2015

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Born2live4ever said:
I was not aware of the "ignore" feature. Noted.

Click on her avatar. A small screen will appear. In that screen go to her profile and look to the upper right hand you will see ignore. Click that an you're home free.

createdtoworship · Nov 11, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
I'm sorry, but the previous 3 posts gave me a headache just trying to read them. I'm not getting on the guy, because I have extremely poor grammer, but I think English is not his primary language. I would like to submit the following linc to those who are against transition surgery for them to get an opposing view from someone outside the forum. I have no idea of the credentials of the person in the video, but she certainly has something to say about the validity of previous studies
http://genderanalysis.net/2015/09/p...ransitioning-is-effective-gender-analysis-10/

check out my last post where I explain logically that there really should be no confusion scientifically speaking.

createdtoworship · Nov 11, 2015

Armoured said:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01614576.1999.11074292

http://www.wpath.org/uploaded_files/140/files/Standards of Care, V7 Full Book.pdf

thank you for an honest attempt at finding research, it may be a little harder for you however.

I provided research from a person who had numerous peer reviews, and you did not.

and the one of the two that you quoted was not on my topic of sex reasignement surgury.

you however called it cherry picking and outdated without actually finding any citation to back up your claims.

the citation you do give is not on topic, and the other one that may be on topic is not scholarly enough, as it is not in the peer review category of things.

thanks again, maybe when we have more scholarship on sexual reasignment benefits and other benefits of catering to a transexual psychosis minority you can let me know.

I dont' typically give in to minory of groups because what happens, for example, with another psychosis that someone with schitsophrenia desires us to make all taxi cab drivers to be of the extra terrestrial type and if they are not technically from the IT department of the marshian headquarters then they are not qualified to drive a cab in NY city?

the rules we can employ on such psychosis are innumerable.

we should not base law, insurance claims on psychosis that is questionable.

or on those who don't believe it is psychosis, as that is a waste of insurance dollars too.

I did post my original citations if you wish to examine them:

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ttle-girl-a-boy.7916717/page-12#post-68839785

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ttle-girl-a-boy.7916717/page-11#post-68839055

createdtoworship · Nov 11, 2015

Armoured said:
Transexuals without treatment tend to die young. Transexuals who recieve GRT are less likely to do so. Clinical fact. Sorry you don't approve, but I'm pro-life.

none of the papers talk about this, that you quote.

if you have peer review, lets hear it.

I recommend peer review from someone with a phd in related studies, but what every you have is fine for now.

createdtoworship · Nov 11, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
I'm sorry, but the previous 3 posts gave me a headache just trying to read them. I'm not getting on the guy, because I have extremely poor grammer, but I think English is not his primary language. I would like to submit the following linc to those who are against transition surgery for them to get an opposing view from someone outside the forum. I have no idea of the credentials of the person in the video, but she certainly has something to say about the validity of previous studies
http://genderanalysis.net/2015/09/p...ransitioning-is-effective-gender-analysis-10/

sorry, if you are talking to my posts, I appologize,

I am rushed most of the time.

and am not profitient at spell check .

as you can tell.

but dont' let this distract you from the solid evidence I present, or become a strawman for you to avoid answering the more challenging and thought provoking critical analysis that I bring forward.

you must be open minded to survive debate, if not, they call you out emediately.

and saying someone spells wrong, doen'st fly.

but granted I will attempt to try harder, no promises.

(again if you are talking to me)

maybe not.

have a good day.

AHH who-stole-my-name · Nov 12, 2015

gradyll said:
sorry, if you are talking to my posts, I appologize,

I am rushed most of the time.

and am not profitient at spell check .

as you can tell.

but dont' let this distract you from the solid evidence I present, or become a strawman for you to avoid answering the more challenging and thought provoking critical analysis that I bring forward.

you must be open minded to survive debate, if not, they call you out emediately.

and saying someone spells wrong, doen'st fly.

but granted I will attempt to try harder, no promises.

(again if you are talking to me)

maybe not.

have a good day.

Yes, I am talking about your posts. Are you posting from a cell phone, because your sentences are cut up into 2-3 lines when they don't even fill a line. They are also double spaced, which makes it artificially longer than it should. Many people won't read absurdly long posts to begin with.

Please don't assume the worst of me because I point this out, but if it becomes more work than necessarily, I will have to bypass your posts because I will begin thinking that you do this on purpose. No one has the right to demand others work harder to read their posts than they do on writing them. Me included.

By the way, Your links were refuted by the link I posted in #269, which is the very post you quoted. It seems your guy has an agenda of his own and It's not an transgender kids well being but that of his ideology.

AHH who-stole-my-name · Nov 12, 2015

What I'd like is for all those people out there who think this situation is in anyway sinful or lacks morality to stop calling it this and tell me what is so sinful and how you come by the way of calling it in any way immoral. I get really tired of cowardly people who spew words at a situation they refuse to in any way understand, because these are the very loons that the left throws back in my face when I call myself a Christian.

These people seem to be filled with so much fate that they can't even discuss things without artificially manipulating the situation to fit their prejudicial views of those involved. This is why they aught to thank God that Christian sites like these are up. If not they would be laughed out of every other site they would try to enter.

This thing about hating people for what they are inside is moronic, since it is not the sinning and immorality to me is an activity and one that is done with full understanding about the presence of God and his wishes upon them. I don't think we can call out these two men, because we know nothing about them. They are refereed to as the child's parents, but does that mean they are actively gay or even living in the same house together. If so, could we call them immoral. Could we call them sinners?

This child, we also know nothing about other than what the fired workers told people and If they are as prejudiced and bigoted as some I've seen here, I'm fairly sure mush of what they've stated was prejudicial and assumptive as well.

Now if you want to talk about this, then talk with love in your heart, not condemnation for people who have unknowing walked in front of your cross hairs during a fit of self-righteous fever.

Jahrooshshalom · Nov 12, 2015

Or a Troll can be one that sees a lost cause as one wherein their remarks don't change the mind of Christians and therefore they feel they need to ignore them to avoid the obvious: It's a Christian forum. Doctrine is everywhere. Non-Christians hate that. Apparently.

createdtoworship · Nov 12, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
Yes, I am talking about your posts. Are you posting from a cell phone, because your sentences are cut up into 2-3 lines when they don't even fill a line. They are also double spaced, which makes it artificially longer than it should. Many people won't read absurdly long posts to begin with.

Please don't assume the worst of me because I point this out, but if it becomes more work than necessarily, I will have to bypass your posts because I will begin thinking that you do this on purpose. No one has the right to demand others work harder to read their posts than they do on writing them. Me included.

By the way, Your links were refuted by the link I posted in #269, which is the very post you quoted. It seems your guy has an agenda of his own and It's not an transgender kids well being but that of his ideology.

nope, just a c&p thats it.

it was a copy from a report I wrote at an earlier date, that is all.

I mentioned that as well.

but I apologize if I don't actually believe that you are willing to overlook entire posts because of "spacing."

issues....

what if I said that I didn't like that you used the word "Jesus" instead of "christ" in your posts?

and therefore will not read them, because you are doing it on purpose?

it would seem trivial, insulting, and majorly dodgy.

meaning that it would be a dodge of the more thought provoking comments.

many times people speak english as a second language, and have poor grammar as well.

but it has been my experience that is these posters that are actually very very philosophical and well learned.

be it not in english, but well learned.

and I would hope that the research I give speaks for itself, and not the english grammar, which I failed miserably and later gave up on.

so, instead of focusing on the weaknesses, so you don't feel inclined to answer and to take an easy dodge to your next post,

try thinking about the qualifications of the sources I cite, and not my own qualifications.

thank you and have a nice day.

AHH who-stole-my-name · Nov 12, 2015

gradyll said:
nope, just a c&p thats it.

it was a copy from a report I wrote at an earlier date, that is all.

I mentioned that as well.

but I apologize if I don't actually believe that you are willing to overlook entire posts because of "spacing."

issues....

what if I said that I didn't like that you used the word "Jesus" instead of "christ" in your posts?

and therefore will not read them, because you are doing it on purpose?

it would seem trivial, insulting, and majorly dodgy.

meaning that it would be a dodge of the more thought provoking comments.

many times people speak english as a second language, and have poor grammar as well.

but it has been my experience that is these posters that are actually very very philosophical and well learned.

be it not in english, but well learned.

and I would hope that the research I give speaks for itself, and not the english grammar, which I failed miserably and later gave up on.

so, instead of focusing on the weaknesses, so you don't feel inclined to answer and to take an easy dodge to your next post,

try thinking about the qualifications of the sources I cite, and not my own qualifications.

thank you and have a nice day.

Nope. It would mean if you or I wanted to have people comment on our stuff we'd have to do it better than we were. Why would you think people are dodgy for pointing out something that might be an issue that may just help you get better readership?

I certainly was not engaged with you on any level of debate and didn't even know you existed until I happened upon your posts and tried to read them. I give everyone a benefit of a doubt, but If you seem to think corrective criticisms are somehow done with nefarious intent then I will leave you to your own and wish you well with whatever wisdom you wish to impart. Have a nice day.

AHH who-stole-my-name · Nov 12, 2015

gradyll said:
check out my last post where I explain logically that there really should be no confusion scientifically speaking.

Thank you for responding.

If you mean by your last post that being #268. You simply commented on your experience with a hermaphrodite, which is in no way either Trans-gender or Gender-fluid which is what the topic is about. Someone who has the genitals of both sexes is not a person who has the body of one sex and the mind of another or anyone who mentally switched gender.

createdtoworship · Nov 12, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
Nope. It would mean if you or I wanted to have people comment on our stuff we'd have to do it better than we were. Why would you think people are dodgy for pointing out something that might be an issue that may just help you get better readership?

I certainly was not engaged with you on any level of debate and didn't even know you existed until I happened upon your posts and tried to read them. I give everyone a benefit of a doubt, but If you seem to think corrective criticisms are somehow done with nefarious intent then I will leave you to your own and wish you well with whatever wisdom you wish to impart. Have a nice day.

ok, so if you are not able to read the english I post, then perhaps you should talk to someone else.

there are plenty here than can read it.

(I am not being rude, it's just that I don't have time to pick and poke about grammar)

sorry dude....

take it easy.

I hope all is well with you.

createdtoworship · Nov 12, 2015

AHH who-stole-my-name said:
Thank you for responding.

If you mean by your last post that being #268. You simply commented on your experience with a hermaphrodite, which is in no way either Trans-gender or Gender-fluid which is what the topic is about. Someone who has the genitals of both sexes is not a person who has the body of one sex and the mind of another or anyone who mentally switched gender.

well if you can define your terms using qualified sources, then you may have a point.

however, most of these terms are thrown around like frenchfries on a 4th grade bus headed for a basketball tournament.

granted I believe you are commited equivocation on a few of your terms, if not, and if I am, you would also need to prove it on a technical level not a level that is your opinion.

but proving that a hermaphrodite is not a transgender begs the question.

and I don't even think your claims are provable or even plausible at this point, so if you can make a rational argument, then that is good.

but if it just another post of ridiculing and commiting ad hominems, then I can see where you are headed already, and I don't play those games.

I play facts and logic only,

sometimes faith in these forums (because it is christian after all),

but most of the time I focus on science and factual data.

so far you present none of the above, accept perhaps some faith in your views.

but faith, unless it's in God and Christ is pretty much useless when it comes to an absolute sense.

so we will see what you bring to the table regarding evidences, most likely it's just another jab at those you don't agree with.

see most people when they are proven wrong, take emotional offense.

but you can't do that, I learned.

many many times I learned.

and it is through failure that you learn.

so please believe, I am here to help, not hurt.

okay?

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