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Christian claims aginst science.

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I am curious to see the argument you create against the following topics:

Missing Links.
Over the last years several fossils have been discovered showlin links from each animals.
(Wiki up "List of transitional fossils.")

Natural Selection
Over one generation the beaks of African birds have increased, this is due to a massive shortage of water over several years. The birds with smaller beaks could not properly eat resulting in death, where as the ones with larger beaks survived passing on his trait to their off spring.


Early Universe?
Carbon-14. Accurate to .1%.

Animals on Australia.
Scientific evidence (and common knowledge) will show that when looking at a picture of the world, all continents use to fit. These massive islands would not have time to separate in tke 100k early universe theory.
 

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PBS tv just had a special (and they are not pro-bible, they try to be neutral), that showed one "fossil" and why British scientists would not speak out against it for decades. It was proven to be false, to be made up and a forgery, but scientists would not question the "established facts". Some of the colleagues were questioned, "why did they go along for decades?" The other scientists, including others from around the world who criticized the whole thing, gave a very revealing answer "ego", pride.

just a thought.
 
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I am curious to see the argument you create against the following topics:

Missing Links.
Over the last years several fossils have been discovered showlin links from each animals.
(Wiki up "List of transitional fossils.")

Natural Selection
Over one generation the beaks of African birds have increased, this is due to a massive shortage of water over several years. The birds with smaller beaks could not properly eat resulting in death, where as the ones with larger beaks survived passing on his trait to their off spring.


Early Universe?
Carbon-14. Accurate to .1%.

Animals on Australia.
Scientific evidence (and common knowledge) will show that when looking at a picture of the world, all continents use to fit. These massive islands would not have time to separate in tke 100k early universe theory.

EZMoade, some creationists scientifically dispute the claims you make above. But even if the science is correct, this does not necessitate it corresponds with actual history. Keep in mind we believe in a God that transcends the natural world and is not restricted to its processes. We Jesus walked the earth He gave us a glimpse into the Methods of the Creator. He often did things that were scientifically impossible. In fact the cornerstone of the christian faith is the miracle of the Resurrection. We know from medical science this is a scientific impossibility, but we believe in a God that is not restricted to science. We don't believe you should either. If God really exists, don't you think He would have the power to bypass some of the processes that nature requires? God is supernatural and therefore His actions in the world can't always be understood scientifically.
 
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I am curious to see the argument you create against the following topics:

Missing Links.
Over the last years several fossils have been discovered showlin links from each animals.
(Wiki up "List of transitional fossils.")

Natural Selection
Over one generation the beaks of African birds have increased, this is due to a massive shortage of water over several years. The birds with smaller beaks could not properly eat resulting in death, where as the ones with larger beaks survived passing on his trait to their off spring.


Early Universe?
Carbon-14. Accurate to .1%.

Animals on Australia.
Scientific evidence (and common knowledge) will show that when looking at a picture of the world, all continents use to fit. These massive islands would not have time to separate in tke 100k early universe theory.

The problem is not religion, or science, it is when people think that science is a religion and the people that tell the theories are gods.

I offer no argument, as all science as we know it today, originated from the teachings of Christ.

God Bless

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None at all. Creationists only represent a minority of Christians - most accept that Genesis is about the why and relationships of creation, not the science and history of it. However, this is not the correct forum to debate the details.
 
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I am curious to see the argument you create against the following topics:

Missing Links.
Over the last years several fossils have been discovered showlin links from each animals.
(Wiki up "List of transitional fossils.")

Natural Selection
Over one generation the beaks of African birds have increased, this is due to a massive shortage of water over several years. The birds with smaller beaks could not properly eat resulting in death, where as the ones with larger beaks survived passing on his trait to their off spring.


Early Universe?
Carbon-14. Accurate to .1%.

Animals on Australia.
Scientific evidence (and common knowledge) will show that when looking at a picture of the world, all continents use to fit. These massive islands would not have time to separate in tke 100k early universe theory.
If we are so smart about life, someone make a so called simple single cell of life live.....
The newest mathematical theory tells us that the universe is composed of at least 10 dimensions......so which one are we going to say that God cannot inhabit when we only see three of them and experience the dimension of time which is variable? All things we see are made of the unseen, and time is different for any two by relativity, so what could we be missing in info. except for 99.999%?? There is so much we do not understand even about matter. HOw can we spout and brag about our big knowledge when in fact we know so little about even the basic elemetal powers - such as gravity. It is all fascinating and wonderful to explore, but it all just shows us how wonderful and beautiful our Creator is. He tells us that we will someday "know as we are know", and that a new heavens and earth will be created by Him and us....
Sounds like fun to me!!
 
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Hello friend, the amazing thing is that there has never been one ounce of proof to disprove The Bible and the story of creation. It only makes sense that there would be similarities in animals since they all have the same CREATOR. The funny thing is that when they dug up the bones of animals that are alive today from the past, they found the most amazing thing.... a turtle was still a turtle, a person was still a person, there has never been any real proof for evolution. There is no question that animals adapt to their environment, but monkeys did not become humans, hence monkeys are still around. May The Lord Bless you with eyes to see and ears to hear. amen.
 
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It's kind of surpising that only one person in this whole thread said that it wasn't a prerequisite of Christianity to deny science.

Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Anglican and Baptist Chruch catechisms all allow 'less than literal' interpretations of the Genisis account of creation.

No matter what you believe about the beginning of the world, the heart of Christianity isn't the bible it's the Lord Jesus Christ.

In the beginning was the Word the Word was with God and the Word was God.

No mention of mechanism.

Peace.
 
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Hello friend, the amazing thing is that there has never been one ounce of proof to disprove The Bible and the story of creation. It only makes sense that there would be similarities in animals since they all have the same CREATOR. The funny thing is that when they dug up the bones of animals that are alive today from the past, they found the most amazing thing.... a turtle was still a turtle, a person was still a person, there has never been any real proof for evolution. There is no question that animals adapt to their environment, but monkeys did not become humans, hence monkeys are still around. May The Lord Bless you with eyes to see and ears to hear. amen.

Well said malckiah. When we start with biblical presuppositions, there's no reason to be afraid of the evidence. :thumbsup:
 
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I am curious to see the argument you create against the following topics:

Missing Links.
Over the last years several fossils have been discovered showlin links from each animals.
(Wiki up "List of transitional fossils.")

The old saying that we see what we want to see holds very true in this case. The entire idea of transitional species depends on how one views them. They can be seen as one change leading to another in procession, but who is to say that they simply weren't different species of the same types of animal that coexisted? There are blue butterflies, green butterflies, yellow butterflies, orange ones and red ones. We could see this fact and assume that there was a progression from blue butterflies to red butterflies. We could also look at them and say that there is simply different varieties of butterflies and that there is nothing more to it.

It is also important to note that almost everyone of these intermediate species is based on only partial skelital remains. Many of the compositions being but togeather from bones found great distances apart (as is the case with "Lucy"). The problem with this is that when the scientists reconstructed what these partial skeletons might have looked like they did so from the assumption that all species have a common ancestry. As such, it is very likely that their presupositions may have tainted their findings.

And lets not forget all the transitional fossilds that turned out to be frauds or just plain stupid mistakes:

piltdown man - turned out to be modern human bones
nebraska man - turned out to be a pig
java man - modern human
orce man - a donkey
neadertal - modern humans with severe cretanism due to a lack of iodine in their diet.
archaeorapter - purposeful combination of fossiles and modern feather imrints

And the list goes on.


Natural Selection
Over one generation the beaks of African birds have increased, this is due to a massive shortage of water over several years. The birds with smaller beaks could not properly eat resulting in death, where as the ones with larger beaks survived passing on his trait to their off-spring.

Here we see an example of micro evolution (which is small changes within a species or type of animal). You will be hard pressed to find very many Christians who disagree with micro-evolution when they understand what it means. The problem is that while there is clear evidence of micro-evolution caused by natural selection, there is no evidence that those changes are perminant, which would be needed for macro-evolution (large changes, such as from one type of animal to another) to take place. Furthermore, there are some changes that would be required in order for macro-evolution to take place that natural selection doesn't seem to be able to account for (such as the development of irreducibly complex organic structures).

Yes, the beaks of these birds did become longer on average(by a couple of milimeters, if we are thinking of the same study), but who is to say that the birds beaks will not return to normal when the rain returns, or if the rain does not return, why wouldn't the birds simply migrate to a place where there is water, and as such their beaks would return to normal.


Early Universe?
Carbon-14. Accurate to .1%.

Actualy, carbon-14 dateing is only this accurate when it is used in it's recommended range. The absolute max time that carbon -14 can be used to determine is 10,000 years . After this, the carbon-14 levels in the object are so minute that we cannot detect them. The older the object becomes, the less acurate the dateing becomes.

What is used to date older objects is not carbon-14 but potassium-argon dateing. While scientists generaly believe this to be accurate, given the supposed age of the objects, it is difficult to test their accuracy. With Carbon-14, the dates of the objects fall within Human history and some things can be compared to human records to test the accuracy of Carbon-14. With (supposedly) older objects, there are no such reference points to compare some results to.

Animals on Australia.
Scientific evidence (and common knowledge) will show that when looking at a picture of the world, all continents use to fit. These massive islands would not have time to separate in tke 100k early universe theory.

You are assuming, of course, that in the 100k years time frame that nothing unusual happened (such as massive sysmic activity and/or impact with extraterestrial objects such as meteriorites) and that contenental drift is constant. Both of these assumptions have no basis in science.
 
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Lol oh boy......

My friend I recommend reading A Case for the Creator by Lee Strobel. Who was a young athiest that was questioning this so called christian God. The things he thought were true and fact in the science universe were in fact false and as others have touched on.......actually man made fossils that were proven to be false but in textbooks made to be true.

Its a great book. In the end Lee became a believer.
If you seek to find the facts like Lee did than you too will be rewarded for your seeking heart.
 
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No I think you have it wrong.
Lee was a hard core science proves everything I do not believe in this God person.

His wife was a Christian before Him though. He did have some schooling of it in his younger days but than turned to science for all his answers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Strobel


God is eternal.
You are not here to seek answers. You are here to preach your beliefs on deaf ears. We have faith in Christ for a reason and nothing that you try to say is going to change that faith. I suggest you go to other parts of the board to argue if you want to argue. This is not the forum for that.
 
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Your correct about Lee than huh.
Where is your proof for that he always has been a lover of Christ? Huh?

Look up his Wiki profile in the link I provided. I have read his books.

This isn't the section of the forum to make friends lol. Its a section to ask questions and have christian answers provided. You are debating. That is left for the debating part of the forum.
 
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Here is an exerpt from his WIKI profile. You didn't read the whole WIKI lol:

"It was during his years as a journalist that Strobel was an avowed atheist. His 1981 conversion to Christianity was influenced by his wife's conversion two years earlier and Strobel's subsequent personal investigation into the historical, scientific, and philosophical evidence for Christianity, which is the subject of many of his books."

I assure you that I am correct. :p
 
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