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I'm very concerned about the church in general and its lack of Christian activism. Too many have bought into the lie that a Christian is supposed to just keep his or her mouth shut and just love everyone. We should love everyone but I think we are also called to defend our rights and the rights of others. If you're sitting on your butt blissfully thinking that social and world events are not your business, you need to pray and seek God's wisdom on this. There are so many Christian groups doing a lot of good and they can only survive with our support. Groups like www.afa.net, www.equip.org, www.aclj.org, www.cbn.com, etc. Get up! Get moving! Do something!
 

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Christians being active in society and politics? Sure, great idea! Except for one small detail: I don't agree with those groups on the issues. Those all seem to be from the hardcore social conservative end of politics. Well, I am on the right, but it's the libertarian right. I might vote for Ron Paul but not for Rick Santorum. Got any groups I might like? :p
 
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Izdaari....You are part of the problem. If you cannot accept the work of at least some of these organizations, then you are NOT a conservative Christian and you do not belong on this blog!
 
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Izdaari....You are part of the problem. If you cannot accept the work of at least some of these organizations, then you are NOT a conservative Christian and you do not belong on this blog!

Actually, sir, you seem OUTSIDE the conservative model. Christ called us to discipleship, not activism:

John 18
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


Matthew 16
[24] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.


Jesus was not teaching his followers to build a kingdom here, but to build on that kingdom that cannot be seen, i.e., the spiritual kingdom. As far as my rights, Jesus said we are to deny ourselves. Yes, we should work, take care of our families, ourselves, our neighbors, our community, but not through activism.

It's true:

Mark 12
[17] And Jesus answering said unto them,Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

We should render unto Ceasar, (the gov't,) the things that pertain to them, i.e., voting, registering my car, paying my taxes, etc., but I am not called to fight them, or the people I disagree with like abortionists, homosexual groups, etc.

Eph. 6
[10] Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
[11] Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
[12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


2 Cor. 10
[3] For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
[4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
[5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


The, so-called, Christian media has called many into "their" fight, telling us it is OUR fight. They are wrong. God said in his word, THAT IS TRUE, our fight is spiritual, not carnal. I'm not called to rally and shout for the 10 Commandments at the Court House, I'm called to walk out the life of Christ, and SO ARE YOU if you are a Bible Christian. Many these days are "cultural Christians," taking the marching orders from the group of their choice.

Stop reading the Bible with Red, White, and Blue colored glasses. Christ was calling a different kind of soldier.

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Izdaari....You are part of the problem. If you cannot accept the work of at least some of these organizations, then you are NOT a conservative Christian and you do not belong on this blog!
True that I'm not a member of the Christian Right and won't ever be. Though I am politically on the Right, it's the Libertarian Right: Barry Goldwater, Milton Friedman, F.A. Hayek and Antonin Scalia, not Wildmon, Falwell, Robertson, et al. Their views smell too much of theocracy to me, and that's anathema to libertarian-conservative constitutionalists like Ron Paul and myself.

And I am theologically conservative, though in the Anglican style, similar to C.S. Lewis and N.T. Wright, my two favorite Christian writers, and have been a member here for years, since the founding of the CC forum.

I like the work Hank Hannegraaf does answering questions on his radio show and in his books. I'm not familiar with his activism and I'll look into it. But the AFA? I'd have to consider them opponents on most issues.

And I mostly agree with a pilgrim's comments. "Red, white and blue colored glasses", :amen:. Too much of American conservative evangelicalism isn't based on the Bible, but on the Yankee Puritan and Southern Redneck subcultures. Let's not get our worldly though traditional cultural stuff mixed up with our Christianity.
 
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Christians staying seated and quiet is one of the main reasons why our children are having to put up with an immoral and indecent society. We all pay the price from the schools to everything in our society. Pat yourself on the back if you were one of the ones who remained seated and quiet. While you're at it, enjoy the constant bombardment of smut and filth. Your children and grandchildren will pay for what you failed to do. Please don't try to use God's Word to defend or promote EVIL or to SILENCE Christians. In case you're wondering, SILENCE and FAILURE TO STAND UP are many times extremely WRONG. This is how we lost our country.

Make it simple:

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 
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357Magnum: Thank you for speaking the truth. I almost thought I was alone in dispelling this falsehood that Jesus somehow told us to just let our society go to Hell while we stand in the background. You are exactly right in what you said and I appreciate your blog. Those who try to use the words of Jesus to say we should keep our mouths shut forget that Jesus was speaking to a people who were under the thumb of the Roman Empire. They HAD NO VOICE! God has given us a country where we have a voice and to not speak up is polar opposite to the beliefs of the godly men and women who formed this country!!!
 
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Interesting answer but I'm not even talking about witnessing, I'm talking about standing up for what is right in our government and our society! As far as witnessing to atheists, I have two brothers who are either atheist or agnostic and they said the same thing. They've refused God's gift for so many years I fear that they have committed the "unpardonable sin"; that is God has given them all the chances He's going to give them. That doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to witness (in spite of their objections) but we shouldn't be suprised after decades that their hearts are very hard.
 
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Some how, people have come to the wrong conclusion that patriotism = godliness. Or, that God is Pro America. Do you really think so? The kingdoms of this world are not theocracies, not one of them. God may support and "back" godly Christians, but by NO means, does God fly the Stars and Stripes in his office. Daniel explained the end times kingdoms of this world (which would include America,) to Nebuchadnezzar:

Dan. 2
[41] And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
[42] And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
[43] And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
[44] And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.


God's humble and faithful servants have ALWAYS backed government doing it's role of enforcing laws which bring order to society, but they have not always been involved with it's revolutions and times of political activism. NOWHERE in scripture are the members of the Body of Christ told to engage in political activism. Vote, sure, protest, WHERE? Get a drivers license, or course, engage in civil disobedience, WHERE? What about Paul's instruction to believers:

1 Tim. 2
[1] I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
[2] For kings, and for all that are in authority;
that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
[3] For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;


All these "foundations," and "associations," give one a long list of politicans they can call, email, etc., but where are the prayer meetings? They give a list of petitions to be signed, but when do they engage in corporate fasting? They are doing EXACTLY what Paul was warning about:

2 Cor. 10
[3] For though we walk in the flesh,we do not war after the flesh:
[4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
[5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


This NOT o.k.ing or approving of evil, this is OBEYING the Bible, or do Christians have the option to pick and chose there favorite area to obey and disobey. AND, what part of the scripture given is supporting evil?

The fact is, do to the anemic state of 21st Century American Christianity, we Must engage in the "carnal" warfare because we lack the spirituality to fight with the weapons God has deemed as "mighty." The American church couldn't pray it's way out of a wet paper sack.

When Abraham and Lot lived in the environs of Sodom and Gomorrah, it was Lot who sat in the gate. “Sitting in the gate” is thought to have been a position of political significance. Abraham, on the other hand, lived away from the city life. When the time came for the judgment of God to fall, who was it that had power relative to the disposition of the city? Was it the politically active Lot or the spiritually active Abraham? All of us know the answer. The prayers of Abraham were all that stood between the people of Sodom and the judgment of the Almighty God.

Here's a good verse for the kind of activism the American church needs to engage in:

2 Chron. 7
[14] If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


The cure for the onslaught of evil and wickedness coming out of Hollywood is for Christians to STOP BUYING IT! Weakness, carnality, excuse making, that's what is killing America, not homosexuals, Democrats, and socialists. It's sin.

REPENTANCE, that's what will save America. It's not changes at the White House, it's changes at the Church House, and at our own houses!
 
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Pilgrim...you use a lot of scripture and a lot of words but I know in my spirit and by my knowledge of the whole of God's Word that He expects His children to stand up for righteousness. YES, you are correct when you say that we are an immoral people and we make bad choices. That is one side of the coin. The other side of the coin was given to us when God gave us this nation. It is no accident that this is a democracy. A democratic government and society fits God's plan for his people to have free will. If we do nothing with the power God has given us then we perish.
 
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Pilgrim...you use a lot of scripture and a lot of words but I know in my spirit and by my knowledge of the whole of God's Word that He expects His children to stand up for righteousness. YES, you are correct when you say that we are an immoral people and we make bad choices. That is one side of the coin. The other side of the coin was given to us when God gave us this nation. It is no accident that this is a democracy. A democratic government and society fits God's plan for his people to have free will. If we do nothing with the power God has given us then we perish.

Amen, so we should avail ourselves to the weapons and tools God gave N.T. Believers, prayer, fasting, speaking the truth in love to our elected officials, and vote.
 
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If we listened to some folks who misuse God's Word, we wouldn't even be able to defend our own children. There might not be a somebody else to do our duty for us. I give thanks that we live in a society with rights under the Law and the Constitution. We should be using ALL of those rights for GOOD and to stand against the BAD. I, for one, refuse to call evil good, and I will stand against evil in every way appropriate for the remainder of my life. SILENCE is calling evil good. God didn't call Christians to be wimpy do and say nothings. The following portion of Scripture needs to be repeated:

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 
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Izdaari....You are part of the problem. If you cannot accept the work of at least some of these organizations, then you are NOT a conservative Christian and you do not belong on this blog!

You may owe Izdaari an apology. "Conservative Christian" refers to theology, not political activism.
 
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I suppose that would be true if you stick to the Webster Dictionary definition for "conservative". I think it's assumed that "conservative" on this site refers to the definitions that I proposed in another blog. If I'm wrong, then forgive me. I do not intend to have a mean spirit, I just find that a lot of people are on this blog who do not belong here.
 
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I suppose that would be

And it's also true if we go by the Conservative Christians forum's own statement about itself and the meaning of the term here. That's what matters, after all, because you said that Izdaari wasn't in step with THIS forum's purpose, not with Webster.
 
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You may owe Izdaari an apology. "Conservative Christian" refers to theology, not political activism.
No worries. I don't expect him to understand. :p

I've made it clear that I'm a theological conservative in the Anglican style, like N.T. Wright, and not in the American evangelical style. That realization is a big part of why I'm sporting an Anglican faith icon these days.

And politically I don't mind being called a libertarian-conservative, since Barry Goldwater, Bill Buckley, and Frank S. Meyer were my kind of guys. But the Religious Right version of conservatism is anathema to me, just as abhorrent as left-liberalism, for the same reason: both support coercive use of the State to enforce their respective moralities.
 
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I firmly believe that Christians should be involved with activism, however the methods used must not be abusive. Westboro Baptist Church uses totally incorrect methods to get their message across. They need to be taking their very harshly stated message to the government, and not harassing the families of fallen servicemen and women. Their message is not given in love, and it is not in defense of our moral values and faith.

Christians standing on the sidelines, and isolating themselves from the problems, has not helped. The public schools in the United States have pretty much kicked God out of school, and there were hardly any Christians to oppose it. Now when we have Christians trying to get involved again, there is tough opposition against them. We pretty much need to "draw a line in the sand", and stop back-pedalling or else we will have even more struggles ahead.

I wish I had all the answers as to how to we should approach each problem, but I am glad there are some groups that are taking a stand.
 
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We should love everyone but I think we are also called to defend our rights and the rights of others.
Perhaps you should define "defend". How do you relate this to the Sermon on the Mount?

Matthew 5:39 (NASB)
39 "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
 
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