Christ Versus Religion

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I would like to post this discussion on "Christ Versus Religion" with a purpose to draw out all Biblical ideas concerning Religion and Christ. To those who valued religion, please don't misinterpret that I am against of you guys. This is just a means of healthy Christian discussion.

Now let's begin. I my self I am for the idea that "Chirst is versus Religion".

You may throw me your questions.

 

[tansy]

I would like to post this discussion on "Christ Versus Religion" with a purpose to draw out all Biblical ideas concerning Religion and Christ. To those who valued religion, please don't misinterpret that I am against of you guys. This is just a means of healthy Christian discussion.

Now let's begin. I my self I am for the idea that "Chirst is versus Religion".

You may throw me your questions.

Please would you elaborate a little on what you mean?

I mean , it partly depends on what you mean by religion

 

[MoNiCa4316]

yea, what do you mean by 'religion'?

 

[chestertonrules]

I would like to post this discussion on "Christ Versus Religion" with a purpose to draw out all Biblical ideas concerning Religion and Christ. To those who valued religion, please don't misinterpret that I am against of you guys. This is just a means of healthy Christian discussion.

Now let's begin. I my self I am for the idea that "Chirst is versus Religion".

You may throw me your questions.

I think scripture is not on your side.

ex.

17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Luke 10
16"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

John 20
21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

1 Timothy 3
15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

2 Thes 2
15So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

Matthew 16

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." 20Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.

1 Cor. 11

23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." 25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I passed by an ELCA church today that had a sign that said:

FOLLOW CHRIST, NOT A RELIGION!!!! (yes, it actually had four exclamation points).

Since my religion is Christ, I'm not really worried about it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

yea, what do you mean by 'religion'?

Well, such as Catholicism, Mormonism, Lutherism, Batist-ism, Calvinism etc, ect, etc,

 

[HighwayMan]

I think that in this sense, the idea of "religion" is being used in the negative way - as in what it has become due to human ignorance and greed.

It does seem that following Christ and following a religion can be very different things.

 

[chestertonrules]

I think that in this sense, the idea of "religion" is being used in the negative way - as in what it has become due to human ignorance and greed.

It does seem that following Christ and following a religion can be very different things.

Could it also be that following the religion started by Christ is the will of Christ?


17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Luke 10
16"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

John 20
21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Could it also be that following the religion started by Christ is the will of Christ?

It is not just for RCs any longer.

Isaiah 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now shall it spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a Way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

John 14:6 Jesus is saying to him: "I am the Way/odoV <3598>, and the Truth, and the Life. No one is coming toward the Father except thru Me".

 

[HighwayMan]

Could it also be that following the religion started by Christ is the will of Christ?


17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Luke 10
16"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

John 20
21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

Jesus may have started it, but we have definitely changed it. I really don't think there is one Church today which follows the original path Jesus intended.

 

[chestertonrules]

Jesus may have started it, but we have definitely changed it. I really don't think there is one Church today which follows the original path Jesus intended.

I used to think that, but I studied, and now I accept that the Catholic Church is and has always been the Church founded by Christ.

Check this out:

St. Clement(the 4th Pope) 80 AD

St. Clement of Rome Letter to the Corinthians 42, 44[-]
The apostles have preached the Gospel to us from the Lord Jesus Christ; Jesus Christ has done so from God. Christ therefore was sent forth by God, and the apostles by Christ. Both these appointments, then, were made in an orderly way, according to the will of God. Having therefore received their orders, and being fully assured by the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, and established in the word of God, with full assurance of the Holy Ghost, they went forth proclaiming that the kingdom of God was at hand. And thus preaching through countries and cities, they appointed the first-fruits [of their labours], having first proved them by the Spirit, to be bishops and deacons of those who should afterwards believe. Nor was this any new thing, since indeed many ages before it was written concerning bishops and deacons. For thus says the Scripture a certain place, "I will appoint their bishops s in righteousness, and their deacons in faith." ... Our apostles also knew, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and there would be strife on account of the office of the episcopate. For this reason, therefore, inasmuch as they had obtained a perfect fore-knowledge of this, they appointed those [ministers] already mentioned, and afterwards gave instructions, that when these should fall asleep, other approved men should succeed them in their ministry. We are of opinion, therefore, that those appointed by them, or afterwards by other eminent men, with the consent of the whole Church, and who have blame-lessly served the flock of Christ in a humble, peaceable, and disinterested spirit, and have for a long time possessed the good opinion of all, cannot be justly dismissed from the ministry. For our sin will not be small, if we eject from the episcopate those who have blamelessly and holily fulfilled its duties. Blessed are those presbyters who, having finished their course before now, have obtained a fruitful and perfect departure [from this world]; for they have no fear lest any one deprive them of the place now appointed them. But we see that you have removed some men of excellent behaviour from the ministry, which they fulfilled blamelessly and with honour.

St. Ignatius 110 AD

Letter to the Smyrneans[-]See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

 

[christianmomof3]

here is an article by that name
http://www.gogeneration.com/v3iss1/christvsreligion.htm
and a book
http://www.target.com/gp/detail.htm..._Versus_Religion_:_Books&ref=tgt_adv_XSNG1060

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Well, considering the state of the church, in America at least one can draw this battle. We have work to do, show people what it means to follow the Lord..

 

[sunlover1]

I would like to post this discussion on "Christ Versus Religion" with a purpose to draw out all Biblical ideas concerning Religion and Christ. To those who valued religion, please don't misinterpret that I am against of you guys. This is just a means of healthy Christian discussion.

Now let's begin. I my self I am for the idea that "Chirst is versus Religion".

You may throw me your questions.

Welcome to CF and thank you for this thread.
I agree.

For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory,
to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith;
that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth,
and length, and depth, and height;
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge,
that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly
above all that we ask or think,
according to the power that worketh in us,
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages,
world without end.
Amen.

here is an article by that name
http://www.gogeneration.com/v3iss1/christvsreligion.htm
and a book
http://www.target.com/gp/detail.htm..._Versus_Religion_:_Books&ref=tgt_adv_XSNG1060

Excellent!
And here's an excerpt from that article:

Jesus Christ, simply by being who He was, did what religion could only claim to do. Yet, this man was despised by religion. When He healed the sick and the lame on holy days, religion condemned Him for breaking ritual law;8 when He cast out demons, religion accused Him of being in league with the devil;9 when He forgave people of their sins, religion accused Him of blasphemy against God.10 When Christ fulfilled man’s basic need by bringing God to him, the religious leaders did everything within their power to stop Him.11 Finally, when those in religion could tolerate Him no longer, they killed Him. Christ, who was God coming to man, was murdered by religion when it nailed Him to a cross of wood.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

I think a better discussion topic is "Christ vs religiosity"

Religion is ethically neutral. Religiosity is a state of hostility and assumed righteousness

 

[Uphill Battle]

I think a better discussion topic is "Christ vs religiosity"

Religion is ethically neutral. Religiosity is a state of hostility and assumed righteousness

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I passed by an ELCA church today that had a sign that said:

FOLLOW CHRIST, NOT A RELIGION!!!! (yes, it actually had four exclamation points).

Since my religion is Christ, I'm not really worried about it.

There is a lot of stupidity out there.

People do not even know what "religion" means anymore.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I think that in this sense, the idea of "religion" is being used in the negative way - as in what it has become due to human ignorance.

Exactly!

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Cash it in.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I think a better discussion topic is "Christ vs religiosity"

Religion is ethically neutral. Religiosity is a state of hostility and assumed righteousness

The thing is some people do not know what religion or religiosity is.

They think religion is 'man made' and not of God. It is something I have seen in a friend who believes in the "Oneness" in Pentecostalism. It is, as you say, IGNORANCE.