"Christ is punished instead of us"

[Lotar]

You like it?
We had to beg Erwin until he gave in

 

[countrymousenc]

pssst... it's always the anabaptists who teach these strange things

LOL, if you get me started on that one, I'll get into trouble for sure!

*countrymouse goes to the board and writes:

If you can't say somethin' nice, don't say nothin' at all.
If you can't say somethin' nice, don't say nothin' at all.
If you can't say somethin' nice, don't say nothin' at all.
If you can't say somethin' nice (about the anabaptists) ...

 

[Lotar]

 

[MariaRegina]

That's a pretty neat-looking "faith icon" Lotar.

Hey Lotar.

Who designed your faith avatar? It's really pretty.

 

[Lotar]

I can't remember who did the final version, we sort of passed it around.

Theologia Crucis, Breetai, and I all had a hand in it.

It's Luther's rose.

Grace and peace in Christ!

Honorable, kind, dear Sir and Friend! Since you ask whether my seal has come out correctly, I shall answer most amiably and tell you of those thoughts which [now] come to my mind about my seal as a symbol of my theology.

There is first to be a cross, black [and placed] in a heart, which should be of its natural color, so that I myself would be reminded that faith in the Crucified saves us. For if one believes from the heart he will be justified. Even though it is a black cross, [which] mortifies and [which] also should hurt us, yet it leaves the heart in its [natural] color [and] does not ruin nature; that is, [the cross] does not kill but keeps [man] alive. For the just man lives by faith, but by faith in the Crucified One. Such a heart is to be in the midst of a white rose, to symbolize that faith gives joy, comfort, and peace; in a word it places the believer into a white joyful rose; for [this faith] does not give peace and joy as the world gives and, therefore, the rose is to be white and not red, for white is the color of the spirits and of all the angels. Such a rose is to be in a sky-blue field, [symbolizing] that such joy in the Spirit and in faith is a beginning of the future heavenly joy; it is already a part [of faith], and is grasped through hope, even though not yet manifest. And around this field is a golden ring, [symbolizing] that in heaven such blessedness lasts forever and has no end, and in addition is precious beyond all joy and goods, just as gold is the most valuable and precious metal.

May Christ, our dear Lord, be with your spirit until the life to come. Amen.

From the wilderness Grubok, July 8, 1530

Martin Luther, vol. 49, Luther's Works, Vol. 49 : Letters II, ed. Jaroslav Jan Pelikan, Hilton C. Oswald and Helmut T. Lehmann, Luther's Works (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1999, c1972).

LW 49:358-359

The Orthodox aren't the only ones who have a meaning behind everything.

 

[Benedicta00]

The Prot that I know does not believe the trinity separated. He thinks of it like a married couple who is still married but separates. They are together but they have separated.

This should serve to show the error with sola scripture, -people thinking they can believe what ever they choose to based on what they think scripture means.

 

[Lotar]

For non-confessionals, yes.

Most likely the guy just misunderstands what his church teaches. That happens as often with Protestants as it does with Catholics

 

[Oblio]

The Orthodox aren't the only ones who have a meaning behind everything.

We just have the fullness of meaning

 

[tizziale]

Where is Bishop Kalistos' book online?

 

[Oblio]

The Orthodox Church

Other Orthodox Titles

 

[Dismas]

Where is Bishop Kalistos' book online?

You can download part 1 here http://www.stgabrielokc.org/Lecture%20Books/Level%201/l1-1.pdf

Dismas

 

[Benedicta00]

For non-confessionals, yes.

Most likely the guy just misunderstands what his church teaches. That happens as often with Protestants as it does with Catholics

He is Southern Baptist Convention and he let his pastor know what he believes and his pastor said, as long salvation isn’t outside Christ you are free to believe that. He agrees on the essentials so it is all good. There is no authority who can tell him he is wrong.

 

[Lotar]

anabaptists

too bad we don't burn them anymore...

 

[Patristic]

anabaptists

too bad we don't burn them anymore...

I know this statement was made in jest, but please be careful what you say. My uncle's wife is part of a mennonite community and he is now a pastor of a mennonite church. My aunt's ancestors were some of those people who were burned and executed by Lutherans in Germany because they believed so strongly in pacifism. The wounds from those experiences still run deep, so please be careful. God bless!

 

[countrymousenc]

I know this statement was made in jest, but please be careful what you say. My uncle's wife is part of a mennonite community and he is now a pastor of a mennonite church. My aunt's ancestors were some of those people who were burned and executed by Lutherans in Germany because they believed so strongly in pacifism. The wounds from those experiences still run deep, so please be careful. God bless!

Patristic, if my previous comment was offensive, please forgive me. A long time ago I had the privilege of visiting Pennsylvania and meeting some Mennonites, and they were delightful people. The Peace of Christ be with you, and with your aunt and her family.

 

[Lotar]

Sorry if I offend. My whole family is anabaptist. They've just been frustrating me of late.

 

[Patristic]

Thank you all for your sincere apologies!

 

[St. Tikon]

anabaptists

too bad we don't burn them anymore...

First: No matter how misguided they were, BURNING was wrong.

Second: To my knowlege, the Orthodox Church never burned any Anabaptists.....so what are you refering to when you say "WE"?

 

[St. Tikon]

Sorry if I offend. My whole family is anabaptist. They've just been frustrating me of late.

Much better friend.

 

[Lotar]

First: No matter how misguided they were, BURNING was wrong.

Second: To my knowlege, the Orthodox Church never burned any Anabaptists.....so what are you refering to when you say "WE"?

It was a joke my dear sir. I appologize if I offended anyone.

I know the Orthodox never burnt them, but I was responding to Shelb5 and Catholics did burn Anabaptists. I do not support doing so, it was a black mark on both Lutheran and Catholic history, though some certianly did deserve the death sentence.

Perhaps it was in bad taste, I didn't think that people's memories were that long.