The definition of a principle is a basic truth or the source or origin of something or someone. An example of principle is a list of values set by a group of people. ... A fundamental truth, law, doctrine, or motivating force, upon which others are based.You could use a good dictionary
We are not sure who translated and wrote the Septuagint. The Jewish scholars might not feel it would be right to even try to translate the Hebrew word of God (which they seemed to have almost made into an idol, like Muslim Scholars today say the Quan cannot be translated).To have written the Septuagint, scribes and rabbis need to speak greek as well as hebrew/aramaic.
Did not know that. The books they provided were very weak and I do not use them but form my owe questions and read the complete letters. I also try to have someone else with me training.It is commendable you do so. Friendspeak is based on Church of Christ?
Got to read up on the Septuagint, see what is what.We are not sure who translated and wrote the Septuagint. The Jewish scholars might not feel it would be right to even try to translate the Hebrew word of God (which they seemed to have almost made into an idol, like Muslim Scholars today say the Quan cannot be translated).
Did not know that. The books they provided were very weak and I do not use them but form my owe questions and read the complete letters. I also try to have someone else with me training.
Precisely. . .God is justice. . .God is righteousness (law). . .God is truth. . .God is love. . .The definition of a principle is a basic truth or the source or origin of something or someone. An example of principle is a list of values set by a group of people. ... A fundamental truth, law, doctrine, or motivating force, upon which others are based.
I am saying there is no cosmic principle out there which God must follow. God establishes by His power and authority all principles. God is not following some Law or justice system, but created the Laws and Justice System.
God can and has forgiven them, which falls under God's justice, Love, righteousness, fairness and Holiness, but they have to humbly accept that forgiveness as pure undeserved charity to complete the transaction.Precisely. . .God is justice. . .God is righteousness (law). . .God is truth. . .God is love. . .
and God('s justice) requires that all be given their due, the righteous (in Jesus Christ), as well as the unrighteous (rejecters of Jesus Christ).
It's not complicated.
May God bless all your endeavours.Got to read up on the Septuagint, see what is what.
Anyhow, good conversation. Good luck on your endeavours.
Not according to Jesus. . .they must "believe in the name of God's one and only Son" or they remain "condemned" (John 3:18) and under the wrath of God (John 3:36).God can and has forgiven them, which falls under God's justice, Love, righteousness, fairness and Holiness, but they have to humbly accept that forgiveness as pure undeserved charity to complete the transaction.
According to Matt. 18: 21-35, God can forgive and forgiveness not take place, the person recieving the forgiveness must accpet it as pure undeserved charity. So, yes those God has forgiven can still be condemned.Not according to Jesus. . .they must "believe in the name of God's one and only Son" or they remain "condemned" (John 3:18) and under the wrath of God (John 3:36).
Or, is it a parable illustrating the Lord's prayer of conditional forgiveness:According to Matt. 18: 21-35, God can forgive and forgiveness not take place, the person recieving the forgiveness must accpet it as pure undeserved charity. So, yes those God has forgiven can still be condemned.
So are you saying the Lord can forgive and forgiveness not take place? (Is God's gifts not gifts?)Or, is it a parable illustrating the Lord's prayer of conditional forgiveness:
"Forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors." (Matthew 6:12)
Or, is it a parable illustrating the Lord's prayer of conditional forgiveness:
"Forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors." (Matthew 6:12)
According to Matt. 18: 21-35, God can forgive and forgiveness not take place, the person recieving the forgiveness must accpet it as pure undeserved charity. So, yes those God has forgiven can still be condemned.
God's forgiveness comes through faith, acceptance has nothing to do with it.According to Matt. 18: 21-35, God can forgive and forgiveness not take place, the person recieving the forgiveness must accpet it as pure undeserved charity. So, yes those God has forgiven can still be condemned.
The principle has already laid down in Matthew 13:12:(Is God's gifts not gifts?)
You are trying to use Matthew 6:15 "But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
, but that is not saying the Lord will take back His forgiving, which seems to be what happened in Matt.18.
The principle has already laid down in Matthew 13:12:
'Whoever has will be given more. . .Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away."
The parable of Matthew 18:21-35 makes pretty clear that what he had (mercy) was taken away
(he only seemed to have it) because he himself did not have mercy.
It has nothing to do with accepting anything.
That was the Roman soldiers he prayed for, who were not his enemies, and truly did not know what they were doing.An interesting thing is that Jesus prayed for those that crucified him. Jesus forgave them ...
When they came to the place called The Skull, there they crucified Him and the criminals, one on the right and the other on the left. But Jesus was saying, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.” And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves.
— Luke 23:33-34
Very good, then Peter gets up on Pentecost and says: (They are guilty) of crucifying the Messiah. Jesus asked God to forgive them and knowing some of the relationship Jesus has with God, I am assured God did His part in forgiving them, but Peter says they are still guilty, so what happened?An interesting thing is that Jesus prayed for those that crucified him. Jesus forgave them ...
When they came to the place called The Skull, there they crucified Him and the criminals, one on the right and the other on the left. But Jesus was saying, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.” And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves.
— Luke 23:33-34
If you forgive someone and that person humbly accepts that forgiveness as pure undeserved charity, can you later take the forgiveness back?Yes, what he had--forgiveness of the debt, was taken away.
Clare73 said:God's forgiveness comes through faith, acceptance has nothing to do with it.
The principle was already laid down in Matthew 13:12:
'Whoever has will be given more. . .Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away."
The parable of Matthew 18:21-35 illustrates the principle, making it pretty clear that what he had (mercy) was taken away
(he only seemed to have it) because he himself did not have mercy.
It has nothing to do with accepting anything.
The ones I've presented aren't true? You want me to present others that you think are true?If you forgive someone and that person humbly accepts that forgiveness as pure undeserved charity, can you later take the forgiveness back?
Are you referrencing any other scripture in support of that concept,
I am in complete agreement with what Jesus said.The ones I've presented aren't true? You want me to present others that you think are true?
Your issue isn't with me, it's with Jesus in Mt 13 & 18.
Take it up with him.
If you forgive someone and that person humbly accepts that forgiveness as pure undeserved charity, can you later take the forgiveness back?
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