Christ gave his life as a ransom

[zoidar]

Ransom? How do we understand this, that Christ gave his life as a ransom? A ransom is a price someone pays to the kidnappers, for them to let go of the captives.

The Greek word used is: Lütron

"just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
— Matthew 20:28

Maybe some of you got a bigger insight?

Christ love!

 

[Victor in Christ]

Christ bore the sin of all those who would honestly repent from sin, trust/love/obey/walk with him with all their hearts and minds. Christ was and still is the sin offering/ransom for all true believers. Hell deserving sinners like us who were under the captivity of Satan, now saved by the grace and mercy of God, justified through faith in Christ's finished work on calvary, sanctified by walking with him daily, seperating ourselves from self and sin/the world/fleshly lusts/desires/traditions of men......and finally being glorified to enter heaven and see our ransom/sin-offering/sacrificial lamb/Lord of lords/King of kings face to face.

 

[public hermit]

I have wondered about this, too. I think we get into some strange territory if we try to locate an actual recipient of the "payment."

If we say it was God, then God pays the price to God?

If we say Satan, then God paid Satan off?

If we loosen our grip on trying to locate a literal recipient, then perhaps we can say Christ "paid the price" needed to free us from death and destruction. He gave his life as a "payment" to secure life for us. There is no actual recipient.

God set up the conditions needed for life to flourish in the divine presence. We have not met those conditions (sin) and, as things stand, cannot persist forever in the divine presence without some change occurring in us. The Son takes our nature upon himself (incarnation), meets the conditions for persisting life (obedience), endures the consequences of human sin and evil (death), overcomes them (resurrection), and returns to the divine presence taking humanity with him (ascension), thus opening the path for us to follow. In short, he gave himself as a ransom for many.

Just my thoughts, don't throw stones at me, lol.

 

[Victor in Christ]

Colossians 1:18-20
1 Corinthians 1:21
Ephesians 1:5

Colossians 3:11
Matthew 11:25-27

 

[Butterball1]

1 Corinthians 6:20; 7:23 Christians have been bought with a price.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

When a ransom is paid, it is followed by a release. The purchase price to bring about the release of men from the bondge of sin was the blood of Christ. Christ's blood washes away the sins of men releasing men from the bondage of sin. The purchase price paid is sufficient to being about the release of all who are in the bondage of sin.

 

[Victor in Christ]

Galatians 3:22-24 justification is through faith in Christ's shed blood/sacrifice/sin-offering. The law of Moses only convicts us of our sin because no man can keep it without faith in Christ.

Galatians 3:25-29 After faith in Christ, we become 'adopted' Children of God and of Abraham's seed and heir's of the promises of God.(spiritual Israel)

Hebrews 7:27 Christ offered himself up for our sin, only one time

 

[mkgal1]

Maybe some of you got a bigger insight?

The way N.T. Wright frames the new testament resonates with me. He explains there were two main exoduses- the Israelites exodus from Egypt and humanity's exodus from sin and death. Paul wrote that we were "slaves to sin".....so that's probably where the idea of "ransom" comes from?

 

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

Ransomed as in the Kinsman redeemer, He is our redemption from the bondage of sin. We have been redeemed, because we are His Kin.

Ransom:

Thayer Definition:
1) the price for redeeming, ransom
1a) paid for slaves, captives
1b) for the ransom of life
2) to liberate many from misery and the penalty of their sins
Part of Speech: noun neuter

For

anti
Thayer Definition:
1) over against, opposite to, before
2) for, instead of, in place of (something)
2a) instead of
2b) for
2c) for that, because
2d) wherefore, for this cause
Part of Speech: preposition

Isa 53:12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors.

In Him,

Bill

 

[bling]

Ransom? How do we understand this, that Christ gave his life as a ransom? A ransom is a price someone pays to the kidnappers, for them to let go of the captives.

The Greek word used is: Lütron

"just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
— Matthew 20:28

Maybe some of you got a bigger insight?

Christ love!

The Bible refers to Jesus’ life and sacrifice as a literal ransom payment:

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

1 Timothy 2:6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time

Heb. 9: 15…now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

We do have the blood specifically mentioned in Revelation 5:9 They sing a new song: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slaughtered and by your blood you ransomed for God saints from every tribe and language and people and nation;

Atonement is a huge misunderstood topic which all the theories do a poor job explaining, look at just one aspect they do not address:

Are we in agreement:

1. Jesus life is the unbelievable huge ransom payment?

2. The ransom payment was made to set children free to go to the Kingdom and be with the Father?

3. Deity (Jesus and God both) made this unbelievable huge payment?

4. All these fit perfectly a ransom scenario?

5. The scripture is not describing Jesus’ cruel torturous death on the cross as being like a ransom payment, but as being a ransom payment?

6. This was all done for “many” and “God’s saints” in some way and in other ways for “all” people?

You may have a problem with “6”, but I am just quoting scripture.

If it is not a kidnapping then it is no “ransoming”, but the Bible tells us there is a ransom payment at least being offered and definitely made for “many” and “God’s saints”.

Peter even help us out more by contrasting the unbelievable huge payment of Christ to just a payment of silver and gold. Who might take silver and gold, so it can be a good analogy for Peter? 1 Peter 1:18 You know that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your ancestors, not with perishable things like silver or gold,

A kidnapper holds back the parent’s children awaiting an acceptable ransom payment, so who do you blame for keeping children out of the Kingdom, since we sure do not want to blame ourselves?
The Kidnapper cannot be God since He is not an undeserving criminal kidnapper holding His own children back.
Also the Kidnapper would not be satan since God has the power to take without paying anything from satan. There is no cosmic Law saying you have got to pay the kidnapper and it would be wrong to do, satan is fully undeserving.
So who is the kidnapper?

When you go up to a nonbelieving sinner what are you trying to get him/her to accept: A doctrine, a denomination, a book, a theology, or something else.NO, you want the nonbeliever to accept “Jesus Christ and Him Crucified” and if he does a child of God is released to enter the Kingdom and be with God, but if the sinner rejects “Jesus Christ and Him crucifies” a child is kept out of the Kingdom.

Does this not sound very much like a kidnapping scenario with a ransom being offered?

“Jesus Christ and Him crucified” is described in scripture as the ransom payment?

Would the sinner holding a child of God out of the Kingdom of God describe a kidnapper?

“Jesus Christ and Him crucified” is a huge sacrificial payment, like you find with children being ransomed?

 

[Nathan@work]

Ransom? How do we understand this, that Christ gave his life as a ransom? A ransom is a price someone pays to the kidnappers, for them to let go of the captives.

The Greek word used is: Lütron

"just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
— Matthew 20:28

Maybe some of you got a bigger insight?

Christ love!

[Gal 4:1-7 ESV] I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave, though he is the owner of everything, but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father.

In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.

But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

His 'ransom' has to do with the law and freeing us from slavery to it.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

Maybe some of you got a bigger insight?

No, just that I love that He IS our ransom! Glory to God in the highest!

 

[bling]

1 Corinthians 6:20; 7:23 Christians have been bought with a price.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

When a ransom is paid, it is followed by a release. The purchase price to bring about the release of men from the bondge of sin was the blood of Christ. Christ's blood washes away the sins of men releasing men from the bondage of sin. The purchase price paid is sufficient to being about the release of all who are in the bondage of sin.

Who is the underserving kidnapper the ransom is paid to, in order to be a true ransoming scenario?

The Bible refers to Jesus’ sacrifice as a literal ransom:

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

1 Timothy 2:6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time

Heb. 9: 15…now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

We do have the blood specifically mentioned in Revelation 5:9 They sing a new song: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slaughtered and by your blood you ransomed for God saints from every tribe and language and people and nation;

Atonement is a huge misunderstood topic which all the theories do a poor job explaining, look at just one aspect they do not address:

Are we in agreement:

1. Jesus life is the unbelievable huge ransom payment?

2. The ransom payment was made to set children free to go to the Kingdom and be with the Father?

3. Deity (Jesus and God both) made this unbelievable huge payment?

4. All these fit perfectly a ransom scenario?

5. The scripture is not describing Jesus’ cruel torturous death on the cross as being like a ransom payment, but as being a ransom payment?

6. This was all done for “many” and “God’s saints” in some way and in other ways for “all” people?

You may have a problem with “6”, but I am just quoting scripture.

If it is not a kidnapping then it is no “ransoming”, but the Bible tells us there is a ransom payment at least being offered and definitely made for “many” and “God’s saints”.

Peter even help us out more by contrasting the unbelievable huge payment of Christ to just a payment of silver and gold. Who might take silver and gold, so it can be a good analogy for Peter? 1 Peter 1:18 You know that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your ancestors, not with perishable things like silver or gold,

A kidnapper holds back the parent’s children awaiting an acceptable ransom payment, so who do you blame for keeping children out of the Kingdom, since we sure do not want to blame ourselves?

The Kidnapper cannot be God since He is not an undeserving criminal kidnapper holding His own children back.

Also the Kidnapper would not be satan since God has the power to take without paying anything from satan. There is no cosmic Law saying you have got to pay the kidnapper and it would be wrong to do, satan is fully undeserving.

So who is the kidnapper?

When you go up to a nonbelieving sinner what are you trying to get him/her to accept: A doctrine, a denomination, a book, a theology, or something else. NO, you want the nonbeliever to accept “Jesus Christ and Him Crucified” and if he does a child of God is released to enter the Kingdom and be with God, but if the sinner rejects “Jesus Christ and Him crucifies” a child is kept out of the Kingdom.

Does this not sound very much like a kidnapping scenario with a ransom being offered?

“Jesus Christ and Him crucified” is described in scripture as the ransom payment?

Would the sinner holding a child of God out of the Kingdom of God describe a kidnapper?

“Jesus Christ and Him crucified” is a huge sacrificial payment, like you find with children being ransomed?

 

[Victor in Christ]

2 Corinthians 5:21

 

[bling]

I have wondered about this, too. I think we get into some strange territory if we try to locate an actual recipient of the "payment."

If we say it was God, then God pays the price to God?

If we say Satan, then God paid Satan off?

If we loosen our grip on trying to locate a literal recipient, then perhaps we can say Christ "paid the price" needed to free us from death and destruction. He gave his life as a "payment" to secure life for us. There is no actual recipient.

God set up the conditions needed for life to flourish in the divine presence. We have not met those conditions (sin) and, as things stand, cannot persist forever in the divine presence without some change occurring in us. The Son takes our nature upon himself (incarnation), meets the conditions for persisting life (obedience), endures the consequences of human sin and evil (death), overcomes them (resurrection), and returns to the divine presence taking humanity with him (ascension), thus opening the path for us to follow. In short, he gave himself as a ransom for many.

Just my thoughts, don't throw stones at me, lol.

You do good the realize the problem of the kidnapper.
Who is the underserving kidnapper the ransom is paid to, in order to be a true ransoming scenario?

The Bible refers to Jesus’ sacrifice as a literal ransom:

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

1 Timothy 2:6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time

Heb. 9: 15…now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

We do have the blood specifically mentioned in Revelation 5:9 They sing a new song: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slaughtered and by your blood you ransomed for God saints from every tribe and language and people and nation;

Atonement is a huge misunderstood topic which all the theories do a poor job explaining, look at just one aspect they do not address:

Are we in agreement:

1. Jesus life is the unbelievable huge ransom payment?

2. The ransom payment was made to set children free to go to the Kingdom and be with the Father?

3. Deity (Jesus and God both) made this unbelievable huge payment?

4. All these fit perfectly a ransom scenario?

5. The scripture is not describing Jesus’ cruel torturous death on the cross as being like a ransom payment, but as being a ransom payment?

6. This was all done for “many” and “God’s saints” in some way and in other ways for “all” people?

You may have a problem with “6”, but I am just quoting scripture.

If it is not a kidnapping then it is no “ransoming”, but the Bible tells us there is a ransom payment at least being offered and definitely made for “many” and “God’s saints”.

Peter even help us out more by contrasting the unbelievable huge payment of Christ to just a payment of silver and gold. Who might take silver and gold, so it can be a good analogy for Peter? 1 Peter 1:18 You know that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your ancestors, not with perishable things like silver or gold,

A kidnapper holds back the parent’s children awaiting an acceptable ransom payment, so who do you blame for keeping children out of the Kingdom, since we sure do not want to blame ourselves?

The Kidnapper cannot be God since He is not an undeserving criminal kidnapper holding His own children back.

Also the Kidnapper would not be satan since God has the power to take without paying anything from satan. There is no cosmic Law saying you have got to pay the kidnapper and it would be wrong to do, satan is fully undeserving.

So who is the kidnapper?

When you go up to a nonbelieving sinner what are you trying to get him/her to accept: A doctrine, a denomination, a book, a theology, or something else. NO, you want the nonbeliever to accept “Jesus Christ and Him Crucified” and if he does a child of God is released to enter the Kingdom and be with God, but if the sinner rejects “Jesus Christ and Him crucifies” a child is kept out of the Kingdom.

Does this not sound very much like a kidnapping scenario with a ransom being offered?

“Jesus Christ and Him crucified” is described in scripture as the ransom payment?

Would the sinner holding a child of God out of the Kingdom of God describe a kidnapper?

“Jesus Christ and Him crucified” is a huge sacrificial payment, like you find with children being ransomed?

 

[bling]

Christ bore the sin of all those who would honestly repent from sin, trust/love/obey/walk with him with all their hearts and minds. Christ was and still is the sin offering/ransom for all true believers. Hell deserving sinners like us who were under the captivity of Satan, now saved by the grace and mercy of God, justified through faith in Christ's finished work on calvary, sanctified by walking with him daily, seperating ourselves from self and sin/the world/fleshly lusts/desires/traditions of men......and finally being glorified to enter heaven and see our ransom/sin-offering/sacrificial lamb/Lord of lords/King of kings face to face.

Read my post above please.

 

[Victor in Christ]

Read my post above please.

i don't understand your post "Also the Kidnapper would not be satan since God has the power to take without paying anything from satan."

If Satan is not the kidnapper, why does the bible describe him as a deceiver, a created being who opposes himself against God, has many fallen angels, is bound for eternal damnation and will damn many souls to hell with him. ie- 'kidnap' them?

If Satan isn't the kidnapper, why would he try to stop Christ (the seed of redemption for sinners) dying on the cross for our sins multiple times in the OT beginning with the slaying of Abel?, When Christ became flesh, Satan tried to kill Christ as an infant. Satan tried to tempt Christ many times in the flesh before he shed his blood at Calvary, so why is Satan not the kidnapper?

 

[public hermit]

You do good the realize the problem of the kidnapper.
Who is the underserving kidnapper the ransom is paid to, in order to be a true ransoming scenario?

The Bible refers to Jesus’ sacrifice as a literal ransom:

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

1 Timothy 2:6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time

Heb. 9: 15…now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

We do have the blood specifically mentioned in Revelation 5:9 They sing a new song: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slaughtered and by your blood you ransomed for God saints from every tribe and language and people and nation;

Atonement is a huge misunderstood topic which all the theories do a poor job explaining, look at just one aspect they do not address:

Are we in agreement:

1. Jesus life is the unbelievable huge ransom payment?

2. The ransom payment was made to set children free to go to the Kingdom and be with the Father?

3. Deity (Jesus and God both) made this unbelievable huge payment?

4. All these fit perfectly a ransom scenario?

5. The scripture is not describing Jesus’ cruel torturous death on the cross as being like a ransom payment, but as being a ransom payment?

6. This was all done for “many” and “God’s saints” in some way and in other ways for “all” people?

You may have a problem with “6”, but I am just quoting scripture.

If it is not a kidnapping then it is no “ransoming”, but the Bible tells us there is a ransom payment at least being offered and definitely made for “many” and “God’s saints”.

Peter even help us out more by contrasting the unbelievable huge payment of Christ to just a payment of silver and gold. Who might take silver and gold, so it can be a good analogy for Peter? 1 Peter 1:18 You know that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your ancestors, not with perishable things like silver or gold,

A kidnapper holds back the parent’s children awaiting an acceptable ransom payment, so who do you blame for keeping children out of the Kingdom, since we sure do not want to blame ourselves?

The Kidnapper cannot be God since He is not an undeserving criminal kidnapper holding His own children back.

Also the Kidnapper would not be satan since God has the power to take without paying anything from satan. There is no cosmic Law saying you have got to pay the kidnapper and it would be wrong to do, satan is fully undeserving.

So who is the kidnapper?

When you go up to a nonbelieving sinner what are you trying to get him/her to accept: A doctrine, a denomination, a book, a theology, or something else. NO, you want the nonbeliever to accept “Jesus Christ and Him Crucified” and if he does a child of God is released to enter the Kingdom and be with God, but if the sinner rejects “Jesus Christ and Him crucifies” a child is kept out of the Kingdom.

Does this not sound very much like a kidnapping scenario with a ransom being offered?

“Jesus Christ and Him crucified” is described in scripture as the ransom payment?

Would the sinner holding a child of God out of the Kingdom of God describe a kidnapper?

“Jesus Christ and Him crucified” is a huge sacrificial payment, like you find with children being ransomed?

I'm sorry if I missed it, but to whom is the ransom being paid? You eliminated God and satan. To sinners?

 

[bling]

i don't understand your post "Also the Kidnapper would not be satan since God has the power to take without paying anything from satan."

If Satan is not the kidnapper, why does the bible describe him as a deceiver, a created being who opposes himself against God, has many fallen angels, is bound for eternal damnation and will damn many souls to hell with him. ie- 'kidnap' them?

If Satan isn't the kidnapper, why would he try to stop Christ (the seed of redemption for sinners) dying on the cross for our sins multiple times in the OT beginning with the slaying of Abel?, When Christ became flesh, Satan tried to kill Christ as an infant. Satan tried to tempt Christ many times in the flesh before he shed his blood at Calvary, so why is Satan not the kidnapper?

A kidnapper accepts or rejects the payment for the child, so the kidnapper is not trying to keep the payment from ever being offered.

Satan is not the kidnapper because:
1. It makes satan out to be like an equal to God, giving satan a much higher position then he has.

2. The “Ransom Theory of Atonement” with satan being the kidnapper developed early on when many people seemed to think there was a literal war going on in heaven with satan taking captives. At that time on earth kidnapping people and asking for ransoms was standard practice with people not having cash in banks or large sums of money readily available (money was in land, cattle, ships and assess that would have to be sold over time).

3. People like to put the blame on someone else for not being a child of God and so they have satan holding them back. They might blame Adam and Eve also, but the truth is “we are the criminals keeping ourselves from becoming a child of God.” Tell me this: If you refuse to accept Jesus Christ and Him crucified (described by Christ as the ransom payment) can you be set free?

4. Paying satan is not going to change satan’s mind, but if we accept Jesus Christ and Him crucified will our mind be changed?

5. If God can just as easily and safely take anything from satan, then why would it not be wrong for God to “pay” His enemy?

6. Satan cannot “stop” God from doing anything without God desiring to do it. When satan temped even Christ it was to get Him to do what Christ would be wanting to do, which is not what Christ was wanting to do.

7. How can satan stop Christ? Satan did not cause Eve to sin, but tempted her with something she was wanting to do (this is like all of us).

 

[bling]

I'm sorry if I missed it, but to whom is the ransom being paid? You eliminated God and satan. To sinners?

Simple: If a person rejects "Jesus Christ and him Crucified" (discribed by Christ as the ransom payment) that person is not set free and thus a child is kept out of the Kingdom where God resides. If the person does accept "Jesus Christ and Him crucified" then that person is set free and able to enter the kingdom as a child of God.
Who is holding the sinner out of the Kingdom (the kidnapper)? Do you blame God, Adam & Eve, bad Luck, satan or the person themselves?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Ransom? How do we understand this, that Christ gave his life as a ransom? A ransom is a price someone pays to the kidnappers, for them to let go of the captives.

The Greek word used is: Lütron

"just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
— Matthew 20:28

Maybe some of you got a bigger insight?

Christ love!

In Jewish belief it is the highest honor to pay ransom for a life. At least this is how I understand it when reading this. Be blessed

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