Christ Atonement

[James1979]

I have a question for you guys and gals. I wanted to know where you at with Christ atonement. Do you believe that Christ physical pain and plus the wrath of God to fully paid for the elect sins? Or do you believe (like I believe) that Christ had paid all of the elects sins by experiencing eternal damnation the same way that the elect would have to pay if they weren't saved which would be an eternity in the lake of fire. So basically I'm saying that Christ did the equivalent to what the elect would had to experience.

God Bless

James

 

[FOMWatts<><]

If what you are saying is "Christ suffered so we wouldn't have to." then yes we agree.

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[adam149]

I have a question for you guys and gals. I wanted to know where you at with Christ atonement. Do you believe that Christ physical pain and plus the wrath of God to fully paid for the elect sins? Or do you believe (like I believe) that Christ had paid all of the elects sins by experiencing eternal damnation the same way that the elect would have to pay if they weren't saved which would be an eternity in the lake of fire. So basically I'm saying that Christ did the equivalent to what the elect would had to experience.

God Bless

James

From the Apostle's Creed:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.

He descended into hell.

Also see this section from Calvin on the issue: http://www.reformed.org/documents/Christ_in_hell/index.html

 

[johnny_redeemed]

I do not understand the question? Can anyone help.

 

[BBAS 64]

I have a question for you guys and gals. I wanted to know where you at with Christ atonement. Do you believe that Christ physical pain and plus the wrath of God to fully paid for the elect sins? Or do you believe (like I believe) that Christ had paid all of the elects sins by experiencing eternal damnation the same way that the elect would have to pay if they weren't saved which would be an eternity in the lake of fire. So basically I'm saying that Christ did the equivalent to what the elect would had to experience.

God Bless

James

Good Day, James

I think Both are equally important in 2 different ways. The physical pain and torute was nessary to for fill some of the OT passages as it refers to sacrifices for remmision of sin and the images used there in the old testamnt RE: passover.


I do not see the payment of sins for the elect. by his seperation from the Father. Though I do agree that he was seperated because of the load he bore for the elect. It was part of the plan that he bare that load for the father's elect, and was the cause of the seperation. He had to experiance that because of the load he bore.

Hope that Helps!

For His Glory Alone!

Bill

 

[Irishcat922]

I think the problem with a literal view of Christ suffering the torment of hell is the modern heresy of Jesus second death. Yes he felt the wrath of God on the cross for the sins of his people, but he did not suffer the torment of hell in the same sense that we think of it. He died for our sin and underwent the wrath of God and willingly subjected himself to the grave for three days. That is what is meant by he descended into hell. The heresy is that he literally suffered in the flames of hell. I think Calvin interprets he descended into hell as being he spent three days physically under the power of death, in the grave.

 

[Knight]

Christ suffered the torment of hell in that he was forsaken by God the Father. This is not the same as saying that he decended into hell which is not explicitly taught in Scripture.

That Christ was forsaken by God is significant when you consider that Christ is God the second person of the Trinity. Up until that point He had never been separated from God the Father. Think about that for just a minute......

How long was this? We don't exactly know. We know that Christ told the thief that he would be with Him in paradise that day. An easy assumption was that it was not very long. It wouldn't need to be. It was suficient to pay for our sins and grant us eternal life in Him rather than the eternal damnation our sin deserves.

Praise be to God.

 

[theseed]

I have a question for you guys and gals. I wanted to know where you at with Christ atonement. Do you believe that Christ physical pain and plus the wrath of God to fully paid for the elect sins? Or do you believe (like I believe) that Christ had paid all of the elects sins by experiencing eternal damnation the same way that the elect would have to pay if they weren't saved which would be an eternity in the lake of fire. So basically I'm saying that Christ did the equivalent to what the elect would had to experience.

God Bless

James

I don't know. I just know that my sins are forgiven

 

[Foundthelight]

Remember that Jesus said that the came to fulfill the law (Mat. 5:17)

We were slaves to sin. Under the law, to be purchased out of slavery we needed a Kinsman Redeemer (Lev. 25). Jesus paid the purchase price to redeem us.

At what cost did He redeem us? That is established in Lev. 4. The cost is the life and blood of an unblemished, substitutionary sacrifice. He had to suffer and die just as any sacrifice would to fulfill and complete the law. To fulfill this point of law once and for all, not just for a short period as the animal sacrifices, He had to be not only unblemished but perfect, Holy, and sinless.

Jesus was an obedient, perfect sacrifice to pay the price for our sin, to redeem us, all in accordance with the law, to fulfill the law. He abolished in His flesh the law with its commandments and regulations (Eph 2:15)

I want to add that I believe that an excessive focus on Christ's suffering leads us away from the real truth of His sacrifice which is Grace and into guilt. There is no need for guilt in Christ. Grace is the giving of something to someone not because it is deserved, but rather because one wants to. We have a free gift of salvation which is available because Jesus fulfilled the law and did away with the law. We do not deserve this gift. It is God's Grace.

I am eternally thankful that Jesus by His sacrifice fulfilled the law and made this Grace available to me, a sinner. I am further thankful that, through the urgings of the Holy Spirit, I have come to faith in Christ.

Sola Gratia
Sola Fide
Solo Christos
Sola Scriptura
Soli Deo Gloria