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These ceremonies are memorial rituals but do not make the claim I was rebutting that it was a person who died. As with funerals mizuko-kuyo probably gives comfort to the living, so I don't mean to disparage it.Some religions do practice that. It's not unusual in Japan, for instance, for parents to engage in religious rituals arround miscarriage or abortion. It is called mizuko-kuyo (literally "water baby", a reference to the Japanese Buddhist notion that the unborn child exists in a liminal state of becoming, like a wave appearing on water).
These ceremonies are memorial rituals but do not make the claim I was rebutting that it was a person who died. As with funerals mizuko-kuyo probably gives comfort to the living, so I don't mean to disparage it.
Nevertheless, as far as I can see the idea that a soul is somehow engendered at the moment of conception is not supported by these rituals.
Ah, well, of course, in my view there never was an actual person who died. Such ceremony serves to comfort the living, as funerals are meant to. And I am not against funerals.Actually, it more or less is implied that a human life is killed in abortion or miscarriage. The ritual is meant to propitiate the dead for their misfortune, thereby preventing greater misfortune for the living. If there were no dead person, there would be nothing to propitiate.
I have enough of a problem with the religious objection to abortion without having to bother with appeasing spirits of the dead! It strikes me as just superstitious nonsense. But ceremonies to comfort the living are fine with me.Actually, it more or less is implied that a human life is killed in abortion or miscarriage. The ritual is meant to propitiate the dead for their misfortune, thereby preventing greater misfortune for the living. If there were no dead person, there would be nothing to propitiate.
edited: Miscarriages and INTENTIONALLY causing an abortion is a different thing.No it doesn't.
In that case all miscarriages should be given funerals. Why is there nobody urging this?
When people de-humanize the most innocent, do you expect anything different? The fact abortion was ever acceptable blows my mind...SMH...That is one of the most surprising and unfortunate comparisons that I have personally ever seen on this website.
Edit: Miscarriages and INTENTIONALLY causing an abortion is a different thing.For whom!?
Again, though, for whom?Edit: Miscarriages and INTENTIONALLY causing an abortion is a different thing.
My mistake
A miscarriage is **not** intentional.Again, though, for whom?
The woman?
She takes a pill, then tomorrow takes another pill and then has a normal menstrual cycle.
The fetus is dead either way.
Daddy don’t even enter the picture.
I look forward to criminal investigations to separate the miscarriages from abortions.A miscarriage is **not** intentional.
How so? Miscarriages and intentional abortions are not the same thing. Many women are devastated by miscarriages because usually the baby is wanted. Although, I will admit, a criminal investigation would be awfully difficult to determine if a woman ended the pregnancy on her own....but that's a whole different topic...I look forward to criminal investigations to separate the miscarriages from abortions.
What part has you confused?How so?
Yes, that's correct.The intent don’t enter into it.
I'm not confused about anything.What part has you confused?
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