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Chemical Abortions

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You do know that over 40% of fertilized eggs fail to thrive for one reason or another…does your heart break for those souls too?
Never getting the chance to be born into sin and maybe go to heck because they don’t get “saved”.
It's more like 70%. Miscarriage is the norm. Live birth is the exception, and you never hear the anti-choicers express the slightest concern for all those chemical pregnancies that miscarry.
 
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There are dozens of procedures women can have that will prevent implantation but not conception. Do those get banned too?
I'm sure they are on the list.
 
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A baby is a stage of development. A giraffe is a species. You are comparing two dissimilar items.
Fetus means little one. It's an unborn baby. A human being. You're right though about it being dissimilar.
 
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An acorn is not an oak tree. A clump of cells is not a baby.
Bad analogy. It's not a clump of cells.

(Technically speaking, we are ALL clumps of cells).
 
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An acorn is not an oak tree. A clump of cells is not a baby.
That is one of the most surprising and unfortunate comparisons that I have personally ever seen on this website.
 
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Bad analogy. It's not a clump of cells.

(Technically speaking, we are ALL clumps of cells).
You and I are capable of thought, because we have functioning brains. We have hearts. We are capable of processing sensory input. None of the above apply to the unborn early in the first trimester.
 
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That's an opinion, not an argument.

The unborn are incapable of producing either one.
I hope that you are not suggesting that we should not speak for innocent unborn babies that cannot speak for themselves.
 
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You and I are capable of thought, because we have functioning brains. We have hearts. We are capable of processing sensory input. None of the above apply to the unborn early in the first trimester.
When do you believe that the Lord God places a soul within an unborn human baby?
 
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When do you believe that the Lord God places a soul within an unborn human baby?
I lack belief in God and the soul.

But I'd be interested in your answer to that question, especially in the case of identical twins.
 
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Bad analogy. It's not a clump of cells.

(Technically speaking, we are ALL clumps of cells).
Some years ago I severed the tip of my right index finger clean off.
I didn’t have it cremated or buried, it was my DNA and contained everything I am, yet it wasn’t a human.
(I actually superglued it back on top of the digit to act as a an bandage of me.)
 
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Not at all.

I'm saying the unborn are neither innocent nor babies.
smh

Would you be willing to say that to the billions of mothers today and also throughout history who know that the life they carry in the womb is NOT an innocent unborn baby?
 
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When do you believe that the Lord God places a soul within an unborn human baby?
Well if it’s at conception than the question that would follow is “what does God need with all of these fetal-souls?” and other imponderables.
 
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I lack belief in God and the soul.

But I'd be interested in your answer to that question, especially in the case of identical twins.
Now that I know that you have declared yourself to be an atheist, I realize that only the Holy Spirit of God can change your mind on this topic, as well as perhaps many other topics in this website. I hope that you don't mind if I pray to God for you.

I believe that the Lord places a soul within the unborn humans at the moment of conception. That belief holds true for twins, triplets, etc.
 
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