Cheese it?

Torah · Jun 18, 2005

Ok, we have cut out generic brand cheese & milk, now here come a new one, A Rabbi and I were talking about these things and he ask me what about restaurants? Lets say you order a stake and potato, they take off the grill a slab of pork ribs, & then throw your stake in the same spot. Or at the supermarket you have them slice you up an lb of pastrami and the Lady moves the ham from the slicer and throws your pastrami right in the same spot?
something to think about.

Bon · Jun 18, 2005

Torah said:
Ok, we have cut out generic brand cheese & milk, now here come a new one, A Rabbi and I were talking about these things and he ask me what about restaurants? Lets say you order a stake and potato, they take off the grill a slab of pork ribs, & then throw your stake in the same spot. Or at the supermarket you have them slice you up an lb of pastrami and the Lady moves the ham from the slicer and throws your pastrami right in the same spot? something to think about.

All the time

That's why kosher Jews will not eat out at a non-kosher restaurant.

It's a toughie.....Do you just let it slide, and try not to think about it....or do we start eating out at kosher restaurants....in my case (30km to the nearest kosher restaurant)

As for deli meats.....I'm ok there....I never buy deli meat. PHEW!

Shalom from Bon

Torah · Jun 18, 2005

We stop eating out. And stop buying deli meats. We tryed to eat out after Coming into this knowledge. But "SOMETHING" kept nagging at me about it. So we didnt.

Bon · Jun 18, 2005

Torah said:
We stop eating out. And stop buying deli meats. We tryed to eat out after Coming into this knowledge. But "SOMETHING" kept nagging at me about it. So we didn’t.

Talk about "living in the world and not of the world" huh!?

Further separating ourselves from all things mainstream.

Do you think it strange that so many people don't give it a second thought?

Shalom from Bon

christinepro · Jun 18, 2005

Torah said:
We stop eating out. And stop buying deli meats. We tryed to eat out after Coming into this knowledge. But "SOMETHING" kept nagging at me about it. So we didnt.

I had McDonalds yesterday because I was on the run. I felt really nausiated after eating it. I don't think I'll eat there or any other fast food place again. Yuk!! I could cook better than that. Torah, I get that nagging feeling too. Could YWHA be trying to tell us something?

Mikhail · Jun 18, 2005

Wags said:
I have never heard of lard being used in the making of cheese. Most cheese isn't kosher because it uses animal rennent (made from the lining of a cows stomach). Thus it is mixing dairy with meat and which makes it rabinically unkosher. Kosher cheese uses vegetable rennet.

Rabbis smabbis what do I care it what I a Rabbi thinks on decrees and customs that are added to what is biblical kosher that is important the milk and meat thing is such a furfy because the text is in the whole context of bringing offerings not what is clean or unclean for eating.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

Mikhail · Jun 18, 2005

Bon said:
All the time

That's why kosher Jews will not eat out at a non-kosher restaurant.

It's a toughie.....Do you just let it slide, and try not to think about it....or do we start eating out at kosher restaurants....in my case (30km to the nearest kosher restaurant)

As for deli meats.....I'm ok there....I never buy deli meat. PHEW!

Shalom from Bon

Ahh me thinks that God wants Torah beleivers to live in the middle of the Jewish community as a testimony as it makes my life so much easier, I only get Kosher meat and Kosher deli products.

It is not just about pork etc but how the cow is killed did you ever consider that a cow that gets a bolt in the head to kill it and is not cut up for 15 -20 mins on an abotoirs assembly line is efectiveley meat strangled
Which even christians who accept acts 15 are bound too accept.
Shalom,
Mikhail

Mikhail · Jun 18, 2005

Bon said:
We buy Vegetarian cheese. It is made using a vegetable enzyme instead of an animal enzyme.....often from pigs.

It is much more costly than your average cheese. We pay AD $5.45 for a 500g block. You can buy a 1Kg block of normal cheese for less.

Shalom from Bon

I have a confession
I really striggled with buying Kosher cheese that AUD $10 for 500 grams was just so difficult to accept in my head, but eventually I did silly isn't it.

You know it is interesting without really trying I found that I eat less meat now that i eat Kashrut certified meat.

I wonder if their is a relationship between eating meat with the blood in it with my past cravings for more meat?
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

christinepro · Jun 18, 2005

As far as cheese made with animal rennet is it the animal we would be eating or the enzyme?

Definition: rennet, substance containing rennin, an enzyme having the property of clotting, or curdling, milk.

Henaynei · Jun 18, 2005

we finally quit eating at the Chinese buffet (a BIG favorite for hubby) when HaShem brought us to the place where we could smell the pork in the oil in which the mushrooms and chicken has been fried.... OH, for a Jewish community that would not impoverish us to live there! Our remaining indiscretion is a local fish market where we only get broiled salmon, corn on the cob, baked potato and a salad ... well, that and the *extremely rare* visit to a mom-n-pop pizza place where we get a veggie pizza - yeah, we know, the cheese - as I say, it is extremely rare.... maybe twice a year.... for chinese we travel 5 hours to Boca Raton and a chinese resturant there - maybe once a year or two.....

true observance (all levels/issues, not just kashrut) requires community - HaShem designed it that way

Torah · Jun 18, 2005

LOL AT MYSELF. You are not going to believe what I just did. I am reading Henaynei post [with out my glasses] is a local fish market where we only get broiled [salmon, corn]
But what I think I see is [Salmon. com] So, I cut and past Salmon. Com onto the search window and click on it and it tells me the URL cant be found. I put on my glasses, and well. broiled salmon, corn on the cob, LOL at my self.

"true observance (all levels/issues, not just kashrut) requires community - HaShem designed it that way"
As I grow I am learning that. Shalom

Henaynei · Jun 18, 2005

ah, yes, the fault of glasses has caused more than one of us to err and find cause for laughter

BarbB · Jun 18, 2005

Henaynei said:
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]OU Kosher Sharp Cheddar[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]All of the cheeses in our online store (except for Smoky Bacon Cheddar) are already certified kosher by Tablet-K and certified halal by the Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America (IFANCA). However, we have received many consumer inquiries about providing OU-certified cheddar, so we are conducting this limited-time market test. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What kind of rennet is used to make our cheeses?
Cabot utilizes vegetable-based rennet to manufacture its award-winning cheeses. The American Vegetarian Society approves Cabots rennet and our Cabot cheeses are certified kosher.[/font]

Cabot's Hunter Sharp has always been one of my favorites. I just checked the label but couldn't find any Kosher marks. Is it just the one kind of Cabot's cheese?

Mikhail · Jun 19, 2005

Henaynei said:
OH, for a Jewish community that would not impoverish us to live there!

What do you mean by this?
Shalom,
Mikhail

Henaynei · Jun 19, 2005

Mikhail said:
What do you mean by this?
Shalom,
Mikhail

the cost of living in an orthodox Jewish community can be somewhat high. Consider that the cost of kosher food is considerably more than what most of us are used to spending, the cost of housing in a community where kosher housing is likely at a premium (not likely to have much surplus kosher housing) and therefore is likely rather high... etc...

Henaynei · Jun 19, 2005

newlamb said:
Cabot's Hunter Sharp has always been one of my favorites. I just checked the label but couldn't find any Kosher marks. Is it just the one kind of Cabot's cheese?

As stated on the Cabot site: "All of the cheeses in our online store (except for Smoky Bacon Cheddar) are already certified kosher by Tablet-K"

The "Tablet-K," Religious and Kitchen Supervision, 8 Copper Beach Lane, Lawrence, NY 11559-2606. (516) 569-9081; (516) 569-9082; Fax: (516) 569-9083. Rabbi Rafael Saffra.

The "Tablet-K." Rabbi Rafael Saffra is a musmach of RIETS. He has been the Director of the Tablet-K since it began 20 years ago.

that is about all I can find on the web about Tablet-K
- you can contact that organization and Cabot Cheese and ask about the hecksher....

scottidog · Jun 19, 2005

true observance (all levels/issues, not just kashrut) requires community - HaShem designed it that way

That's so true. But it's an aspect that we don't think of often enough. Or at least I don't.

Tishri1 · Jun 19, 2005

Torah said:
"true observance (all levels/issues, not just kashrut) requires community - HaShem designed it that way"
As I grow I am learning that. Shalom

amen how sad we are all so spread out

Bon · Jun 19, 2005

Mikhail said:
Ahh me thinks that God wants Torah beleivers to live in the middle of the Jewish community as a testimony as it makes my life so much easier, I only get Kosher meat and Kosher deli products.

Well.....I dont think you can buy a house in Caulfield or Balaclava for $195,000.00.

(To all you 'outsiders' these suburbs are Melbourne's Jewish area, and have extremely high real estate prices.)

The cost of living in a community like that is astranomical. (for us, anyway).

So no, I don't believe God would want us to, if it means "living beyond our means".

Shalom from Bon

Mikhail · Jun 20, 2005

Bon said:
Well.....I dont think you can buy a house in Caulfield or Balaclava for $195,000.00.

(To all you 'outsiders' these suburbs are Melbourne's Jewish area, and have extremely high real estate prices.)

The cost of living in a community like that is astranomical. (for us, anyway).

So no, I don't believe God would want us to, if it means "living beyond our means".

Shalom from Bon

You can just x5

I know that is why I rent it is a lot cheaper to rent than buying assuming I could get them to lend me a lazy $900,000 or so.

Shalom,
Mikhail

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