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[blackribbon]

He didn't have to, He told her she had 5 men and the man she had wasn't her husband and that convicted her.
And many of the Samaritans of that city believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, “He told me all that I ever did.”
Galatians 5:19 is clear.
We're saved by grace through faith, but faith without works is dead.

Please highlight the part where He convicts her for her "sinful lifestyle". She had 5 husbands (not just "men') and the current man that she was living with obviously wasn't her husband. He never said that there is anything wrong with her lifestyle and actually complimented her on her honesty. He was just telling her things about her life that there was no way that He could know so that she would believe that He was God and had the power to offer her "living water". He did not tell her to go home and get married or to leave the man that she was living with. He told her to believe. I again say, please tell me where Jesus asked her to do anything but believe in him. I am sorry if this doesn't match your personal belief system. It is what the Bible actually says.

MARK 4
Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John— 2 although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. 3 So he left Judea and went back once more to Galilee.
4 Now he had to go through Samaria. 5 So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. 6 Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about noon.
7 When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” 8 (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)
9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.[a])
10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”
11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”
13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”
16 He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”
17 “I have no husband,” she replied.
Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”
19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”
21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”
27Just then his disciples returned and were surprised to find him talking with a woman. But no one asked, “What do you want?” or “Why are you talking with her?” 28 Then, leaving her water jar, the woman went back to the town and said to the people, 29 “Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the Messiah?” 30 They came out of the town and made their way toward him.

 

[blackribbon]

Another story that will probably disturb your way of thinking. This woman was not told to stop sinning and was accepted "as is" because she showed love for Christ in a humble manner. I suspect that this experience might have been life altering...but this sinful woman (often assumed to be a prostitute) was loved while in her sin and not chastised for her life but rather honored over the respectful "good" guests. No where does Christ ask her to change though.


I believe that Christ changes us from the inside...not by having outsiders Bible-thump them or "put the fear of God" in them. Our God, by example, is a very loving and forgiving God to those that love Him back. We don't have to clean up to meet God. And our conviction should come from the Holy Spirit within our hearts, not someone who is fighting their own earthly sins.





Luke 7: 36-50

36 When one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, he went to the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 37 A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there with an alabaster jar of perfume. 38 As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.
39 When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner.”
40 Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you.”
“Tell me, teacher,” he said.
41 “Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii,[a] and the other fifty. 42 Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?”
43 Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.”
“You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.
44 Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46 You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”
48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

 

[blackribbon]

How about me, what ???

Maybe that you would honor me with the answers to the same questions you asked me? That is how people usually communicate.

 

[blackribbon]

A 'legalistic Christian' is not One who takes Gods commands seriously ; its a carnal liberal professed Christian who wants Fire Insurance yet thinks nothing of living as the worldly person does as if Christ gave a credit card to rack up all the sin you want. That's why Christ gave us the passage on the Sheep and the Wolves ... its to tell us that we cant fool God . I wish that Lifestyle Immoralists who sit in Church Pews would be given a chance to start living for Christ and if they don't want to , to be told not to return. That's the mandate from God in 1 Cor. 5.

You may have read the Bible since age 10, but youre way too influenced by our Godless American Culture obviously.

Based on what? What about my lifestyle shows that I am am godless or carnal? The fact I actually think, the fact that I read the actual Bible and not someone else's summary of it, or that I am willing to challenge ideas when I can back my data or the Holy Spirit touches my heart?

I find it interesting that you seldom address the topic at hand but suddenly jump topics when you realize that you don't have an answer. Even debators have the ability to say, "maybe I was mistaken". Can you please identify what your "formal debate background" is because having a discussion with you doesn't follow any debate format that I have ever used?

 

[blackribbon]

Honestly, I believe you and Michelle have problems in your lives and not just with me and someone else called Exit on CF. ANd I think these current life issues which upset you both often get expressed toward Others because they are a catalyst for making you hyper-sensitive to what others say . Its kind of the fallout from having emotional turmoil in ones own life . Its a natural thing, albeit a pain for Others to have loaded on them unfairly . At any rate, I do have compassion for what you are both going thru as life is difficult sometimes ; maybe when you two are so stressed with life that you should take a break from getting into deeper issues on CF ?? Just a thought for the benefit of all concerned.

Further, you have so many misconceptions about me ; you've both jumped to incorrect conclusions concerning me and it shows you both to be difficult people temperment wise .

What assumptions have I jumped to? I usually only use information that you have provided since I don't know anything else about you. Mostly, I haven't figured you out other than you like pound people here with your version of Christianity but don't feel willing to actual debate the actual text.

Im not hear to impress anyone ... im here on CF to help people and if youre going to concentrate on our personality differences and backbite me on everything I have to offer up, then we should not answer each others posts for the sake of peace and harmony . Please let me know if you think we should refrain from answering each others Posts so such disparaging remarks can be prevented in the future . Ill await your reply on this before I unsubscribe from this thread.

Funny...I have a notebook full of evaluations that have my ability to communicate and build relationships is my strongest asset (and that is not implying that I have am not strong with my other skills). Strong enough that one instructor told me that I'd be a wasted as an operation room nurse because they don't need to have good interpersonal skills. I tend to be the one who walks out of a room with the most information and always get high reviews from even the grumpiest patients.

I also am the person whom strange children come and just sit on my lap at events. I never have figured that one out but I have met some very delightful sweethearts. Maybe that is all the "anger" seeping out.

My tolerance is low for people who do not respect my time or speak down to me though. You tend to do the last one a lot.

 

[exitstageright]

Honestly, I believe you and Michelle have problems in your lives and not just with me and someone else called Exit on CF. ANd I think these current life issues which upset you both often get expressed toward Others because they are a catalyst for making you hyper-sensitive to what others say . Its kind of the fallout from having emotional turmoil in ones own life . Its a natural thing, albeit a pain for Others to have loaded on them unfairly . At any rate, I do have compassion for what you are both going thru as life is difficult sometimes ; maybe when you two are so stressed with life that you should take a break from getting into deeper issues on CF ?? Just a thought for the benefit of all concerned.

Further, you have so many misconceptions about me ; you've both jumped to incorrect conclusions concerning me and it shows you both to be difficult people temperment wise .




Im not hear to impress anyone ... im here on CF to help people and if youre going to concentrate on our personality differences and backbite me on everything I have to offer up, then we should not answer each others posts for the sake of peace and harmony . Please let me know if you think we should refrain from answering each others Posts so such disparaging remarks can be prevented in the future . Ill await your reply on this before I unsubscribe from this thread.

First of all,I apologize for the big font. I just bought a new Word program for my new Windows 8 computer.
Hello David ,yes I am Exit, whom Michelle and Black have mentioned. Two weeks ago ,I treated myself for my 60th birthday by going to Oahu.
Now, what I am about to tell you all ,I wonder, how many of you think this is a sin? How many of you, who agree with, me does not think this is a sin?
Now ,as a reference point, I used to live on 2575 Kuhio in Waikiki. The average cost for a hooker is $200 per hour. The Japanese men ,of course, are charged $500 Per hour by white blonde women.

The are many more homeless people now living in Hawaii. I had a 1,000 square foot Ocean Front Condo on Waikiki Beach. It has a washer and a dryer, two bedrooms, two baths, an oven ,a refridgerator,a dishwaher ,and a microwave oven, just like at home.

Well during my last night there ,I went for a walk along the beach. There were quite a few homeless people out on the street near the beach. A few of them are male and female couples.
Well, I said, ”Hello!” to this middle aged blonde woman. She smiled at me and she returned my greeting. She asked me for a cigarette. I told her, ”I do not smoke. But,I can get you something to eat ,which is better!” She said,”Sure!.”

We had a great conversation. She did asked me if I could loan her a couple of dollars. I told her that my Condo is only two blocks away .I would give her $40. If she would give me an one hour massage. She said,” Yes!”

Well, she did not want to leave after one hour. We did not, did not, have sex! But ,we did cuddle for the rest of the night. The moon light kept waking me up around 3:00 AM, as the reflected moon light off of the Pacific Ocean was very, very ,bright!
The next morning ,I fixed breakfast for the both of us. We had breakfast out on the lanai (balcony) ,while watching the very bright blue Pacific Ocean.
As I was walking her to Kapiolani Park, she asked me, “Can I have a couple of dollars?” I had not given her any money yet. I said ,”Sure! I am a man of my word. I promised you $40.00 and here is $40.00”
She said that her daughter ,whom she called on my cell phone the night before, could really use the money.
I left her at the park, got my stuff,filled up my rental car, and drove to the Honolulu International Airport.
When I got home at 11:00 PM, California time,just as I sat my bags down to open my front door, I received a call from a frantic young lady. She asked me,”Have you seen my mom? You may have been the last person who has seen her. My mom is missing!” I told her that I have not seen her mom since morning,and that I am on the Mainland now. The next morning, when I called,her mom talked to me on her phone. Her mom obviously was no longer missing.
I spent 14 hours with this woman, and she received only $40. ,plus a luxurious place to stay ,and breakfast. Now she…..was……no….hooker.

She needed food. I needed company and a female touch.
I do not think that we did anything wrong. We just blessed each other. That night was just our lucky night. IMO.
Maybe, just maybe,I am meant to be “The Black Knight” that rescues poor women from their hunger and poverty for one night.

 

[Elderado]

 

[Messy]

Please highlight the part where He convicts her for her "sinful lifestyle". She had 5 husbands (not just "men') and the current man that she was living with obviously wasn't her husband. He never said that there is anything wrong with her lifestyle and actually complimented her on her honesty. He was just telling her things about her life that there was no way that He could know so that she would believe that He was God and had the power to offer her "living water". He did not tell her to go home and get married or to leave the man that she was living with. He told her to believe. I again say, please tell me where Jesus asked her to do anything but believe in him. I am sorry if this doesn't match your personal belief system. It is what the Bible actually says.

Whatever, it's clear to me, 'cause I was just like her. She had a thirst for Him and tried to fill it with men and when she met the only perfect Man who was able to fulfill her revival broke out in the city.

 

[blackribbon]

Whatever, it's clear to me, 'cause I was just like her. She had a thirst for Him and tried to fill it with men and when she met the only perfect Man who was able to fulfill her revival broke out in the city.

Are you sure those previous 5 husbands hadn't died and she determined that marrying another would "curse" him?

Your assumption of what this verse is saying is based on your personal life not on Biblical truth. Jesus did not tell her to change her lifestyle in order to follow him. He told her to believe and He would give her living waters. Anything beyond that is supposition and not a Biblically accurate account to assume that everyone else should believe.

I am glad that Jesus touched your heart and completed you however He did it, however, my challenge to David was that he said that NO sexual sinners will go to heaven and he also said that Jesus told this woman to "sin no more". I say the sin that blocks us the most from Christ is "active rebelling" and "sins of the heart", and not necessarily a long laundry list of things that are big no-nos. This was one example to back my opinion. He offered none and actually distorted this story by changing it into something that is not actually being said.

I suspect this woman wasn't having a emotional need met by living with this man but he probably was financially supporting her so she didn't die on the street from hunger and lack of shelter. This is NOT Biblical fact and I would never present it as such, but falls under the age old question of "is it wrong to steal food if you are starving?" Christ showed nothing but gentleness to this woman. There was no condemnation. This story touches me in that God loves us "as is, where is....and only ask that we love Him back". That is the "light load" of Matt 11:30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light. It does not say it will be easy to be a Christian but rather our responsibility as a Christian is easy. It is simple to follow two commandments of Christ: to love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor. Neither are hard if you really do love God.

Matt 11:28-30
“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

 

[dayhiker]

Hi David,
Yes, I love Gal.5 That is one of my favorite chapters in the whole Bible.

Yes, I have had sex with my GFs. I don't see anywhere in Gal.5 that says one shouldn't have sex with their GF. If I was doing something the Bible called a sin I'd be ashamed of it.

I'd be glad to reason with you any day as I'm a very reasonable person who has a lot of people say I'm one of the most loving, nicest and caring people they know.

And was I correct in asserting that you freely offered information up previously, and unashamedly, that casual sex is involved with some or all of them ?

If this is so, then how should we interpret this passage if I may ask : Galatians 5 : 19 "The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God".

Come , let us reason together.

 

[dayhiker]

Exit .. that is a very nice story. Human beings loving each other just like Jesus said we should.

 

[dayhiker]

yes, Jn.4 another great chapter in the Bible. A woman who had 4 husbands and now a new love, a woman who didn't get bitter at the loss of 4 husbands. A woman who must have been very spiritual and could understand the things of God because Jesus tells her one of the most profound truths in all the Bible. They that worship God must worship in spirit and truth. It wasn't a location, not even the Jewish temple! Then the only time Jesus says this, this plainly that he is the Messiah, I am he!
What an example of how to love and live as she goes and testifies of who she has meet! We see also that her community didn't treat her as an outcast for being an evil woman, but listened to what she had to say was a respected member of their city. If was was looked at as a prostitute and evil woman who wrecked homes they wouldn't have listened to her I'm sure.

 

[Messy]

Are you sure those previous 5 husbands hadn't died and she determined that marrying another would "curse" him?

Your assumption of what this verse is saying is based on your personal life not on Biblical truth. Jesus did not tell her to change her lifestyle in order to follow him.

Well they just have different interpretations and this is the explanation I Always heard and believe. I was in a situation lately with a guy who told me it was no sin to have sex before or without marriage, since in the Torah it wasn't a sin, that was the way they married. Well that sounds nice when you're in love, but I looked a bunch of interpretations up on internet and they sure had a wedding and if they had sex before marriage it was fornication and Paul told 'em to marry so there wouldn't be fornication.
There was one man who had this theory that sex was marriage and I don't believe it, I fell for this sin before, really believing God approved and living together before marriage and I fell off my faith because of it. He had another interpretation about this woman. He said if she just had 5 men who died, why should she get water when there was noone around, why was she an outcast, why would Jesus even mention it? That was no sin. So he thought it were adulterous affairs and that she had a man that was not hers meant that she had someone else's man, like Herod had the wife of his brother. Don't know if it's correct, but it could be. He told the woman caught in adultery He didn't condemn her and to go and sin no more.
Watch out with false grace that says it's allright. I believe it's good to warn people, not to judge. I had a very disturbing dream about it, in Holland a lot of christians believe it's okay.
The dream was a bit like what this woman prophecied years ago would happen:
1968 Prophecy by 90 Year Old Woman in Norway

 

[dayhiker]

Messy .. curious as to why you thing the woman at the well was an outcast? The Bible doesn't indicate she was an outcast. Also if she was an outcast why would the people of the Samaritan listen to her when she told them about Jesus?

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

I have heard commentaries that say that the reason she was at the well at that time was because it was mid-day and there weren't many others there at the same time, implying that she was an outcast.

 

[dayhiker]

Ya, Michelle, I have heard that preached many times. But I can't find any documentation that outcasts were at the well only at noon time. Jacob's well was deep, about 70-85 feet down to the water. So it wasn't a quick thing to lower a bucket and get water from the well. Some say the woman would go get water early to avoid the heat of the day. So when I put the data together, its only that hot a couple of months each year. It would take a long time for all the people to get water so I suspect like us people went to get water when they needed it. I can't find any evidence in my 3 books on the customs of Bible times that the she was getting water at noon means she was a prostitute.
Now I can find documentation that the Jews didn't like the Sameritans and some Jews clearly had negative views toward woman in general, thanking God they weren't women!

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

I hear ya, sometimes I think we humans dissect everything too much. She may have just went later because of the crowd in the morning, like trying to get thru the MVD in a hurry. Or it could have just been the Jews/Samaritan thing that she was avoiding the conflict or confrontation. We don't know because it wasn't an important part of the story, but it makes a better sermon if you add WHY she was there and all the extra stuff. That's why I like to read the bible for myself and I will listen to preachers etc, but I just ask God to lead me to the truth.
One example in my own life is I used to be a Pre-Trib believer because it sounded better and it "sounded" truthful and logical and everything, but then when I really prayed and studied it in Matthew and Daniel and Ezekiel, but mainly Matthew because I just read Jesus' words when the disciples asked Him directly to tell them when the end of the age would come and what would be the sign of His coming and never once did he say "hey don't worry, cuz you guys won't be here, you will be zapped up in the rapture. It's not there and I choose to believe Jesus, he would have told them if that were the case.

 

[Messy]

Messy .. curious as to why you thing the woman at the well was an outcast? The Bible doesn't indicate she was an outcast. Also if she was an outcast why would the people of the Samaritan listen to her when she told them about Jesus?

What Michelle says, because of the time.

The woman then left her waterpot, went her way into the city, and said to the men, 29 “Come, see a Man who told me all things that I ever did. Could this be the Christ?” 30 Then they went out of the city and came to Him.

He told her all things she ever did. He only said: You had 5 man and this one is not your man, so it sounds like she was convicted from her sin. If it was only that she believed He was a prophet, because He said something neutral about her past like you have 5 brothers or something, oh wow, well, let's all go see, He prophecied that she has 5 brothers or married 5 times after her husbands died or left her, He must be the Messiah. Doesn't sound very convincing. He didn't say what happened to her, He told her all the things she ever did.

And many of the Samaritans of that city believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, “He told me all that I ever did.”

I guess they saw a change in her and that's why they believed her testimony.

 

[Messy]

yes, Jn.4 another great chapter in the Bible. A woman who had 4 husbands and now a new love, a woman who didn't get bitter at the loss of 4 husbands. A woman who must have been very spiritual and could understand the things of God because Jesus tells her one of the most profound truths in all the Bible. They that worship God must worship in spirit and truth. It wasn't a location, not even the Jewish temple! Then the only time Jesus says this, this plainly that he is the Messiah, I am he!
What an example of how to love and live as she goes and testifies of who she has meet! We see also that her community didn't treat her as an outcast for being an evil woman, but listened to what she had to say was a respected member of their city. If was was looked at as a prostitute and evil woman who wrecked homes they wouldn't have listened to her I'm sure.

Funny, yes, that's a way to look at it too.

 

[blackribbon]

I don't think a whole town would show up because a prostitute claimed something. Societies just don't tend to spend much time listening to "tainted" women.

Maybe she was wealthy (thanks to the man she was not married to) and she had idle time to be out and about. Or maybe there was a household crisis that meant she went to the well later than usual that day.

I don't see anything that indicates that Jesus was condemning her about anything. He was just stating the truth that he had no way of knowing...by which He established His credibility.

She only claimed to not be married to the one she was living with now...so by that, I believe that she probably was married to the others.