checking out someone

[Doctor Strangelove]

None of us is the Pope, and even the Pope didn't appoint himself!

 

[dayhiker]

Yes, David I have 4 GFs.

 

[blackribbon]

How many girlfriends are Biblically allowed? Please use the address so we can all look it up.

If you have a formal debate background, then you will understand the importance of backing your opinion with facts. "It is generally accepted" or "everyone knows" is not fact.

Question presented: "How do I do a background check on a woman I don't know?"

Answer offered: "Give the man relationship advice that he hasn't asked for."

Do you SEE the problem with this debate and why there might be a little frustration involved?

And to be honest, I don't think you have established your expertise in the area of "relationship expert" here either. Your input is allowed when it is actually part of the discussion but please don't assume we will genuflect and take your opinions as gospel truth. We are your peers not your subordinates standing in awe of anything you say. When offering advice I suggest that you do it humbly and when asked for. And to be honest, Michelle and I are both easy women to get along with as long as you treat us with intellectual respect.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

Yes, David I have 4 GFs.

And was I correct in asserting that you freely offered information up previously, and unashamedly, that casual sex is involved with some or all of them ?

If this is so, then how should we interpret this passage if I may ask : Galatians 5 : 19 "The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God".

Come , let us reason together.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

How many girlfriends are Biblically allowed? Please use the address so we can all look it up.

If you have a formal debate background, then you will understand the importance of backing your opinion with facts. "It is generally accepted" or "everyone knows" is not fact.

Question presented: "How do I do a background check on a woman I don't know?"

Answer offered: "Give the man relationship advice that he hasn't asked for."

Do you SEE the problem with this debate and why there might be a little frustration involved?

And to be honest, I don't think you have established your expertise in the area of "relationship expert" here either. Your input is allowed when it is actually part of the discussion but please don't assume we will genuflect and take your opinions as gospel truth. We are your peers not your subordinates standing in awe of anything you say. When offering advice I suggest that you do it humbly and when asked for. And to be honest, Michelle and I are both easy women to get along with as long as you treat us with intellectual respect.

Seems like youre back on the WarPath today..lol...

I explained that its not up to you to check out a womans background online , for, your Brother is capable ...is certainly old enough being in his 40's ... and has a high IQ , so, ALLOW him the opportunity to check her out if he wants to safeguard himself. Theres a better than average chance that you will end up ticking him off big time if you take over for his life and choices. Encourage him to check her out if he wants to, and my advice to give him good Christian reading material on what to look for in good relationships is good advice and something ive suggested many times on CF.

You made the OP asking for advice specifically, and you got some specific as well as general advice from me. So, please ... lets stop with this silliness of trying to find fault with virtually everything I respond to.

Personally, I do not think you and Michelle are easy people to get along with even if you think so. I see a strong element of antagonism , frustration, emotional turmoil, and stress plus a wavering commitment to Scripture in both of your lives from what you've both admitted and from the kind of Posts you make . That said, I don't have to live with you nor do I have to take you out for dinner every week, so.....Ill just respect you for being fellow Believers who will one day be in heaven with me but I wont be agreeing too much with either of you from some of your philosophies which are oftentimes anti-biblical . ANd again, im ok with you stating in your OP's that you prefer not having me respond if that is what youd like --- otherwise, I shall and I wont be sugar-coating my replies to appease your status quo , what I think youd like to hear so I can be your buddy , or to say things that are not biblical when it comes to Christian daily living.

 

[blackribbon]

And was I correct in asserting that you freely offered information up previously, and unashamedly, that casual sex is involved with some or all of them ?

If this is so, then how should we interpret this passage if I may ask : Galatians 5 : 19 "The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God".

Come , let us reason together.

Is King David in heaven? Did Jesus offer living water (and salvation) to the woman at the well who was living with a man she was not married to without even implying that she needed a lifestyle change? Although, I don't know that I agree with Dayhiker's stance, I do not feel safe in my own righteousness to presume to condemn him to hell like you want to.

Your "reason" often only sounds reasonable to you.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

First off David, it is no secret around here that dayhiker and some others have a different view than some others around here. No need to call him out on his Christianity because of it. As you have said in the past, that is something for pm's if you have an issue. And his belief is between him and God, and I think God is perfectly capable of telling him he is wrong, and changing his view if that is God's plan for his life. We don't know God's plan. And none of us are perfect. Trying to pretend like we are, helps no one.

Can I ask you a question David? Can you ever just admit you might be wrong? I believe you have a sincere heart, or at least I want to believe that, but when you say things like "I stand on Gods Word and am unashamed for proclaiming it on any issue" do you think that the rest of us don't just because we might disagree with you? I know you're going to say we are disagreeing with God's word but you are not the authority for our lives. It's fun to discuss things, it's not fun to be constantly beraded for not agreeing with every single thing one person believes even if that person claims all they are doing is believing the bible. Once again, I am trying to help you. You sometimes come across like you have no love, and without love, you are nothing but a clanging symbol that no one wants to hear.

dayhiker was trying to tell you that he also could see how you presented your view could be misinterpreted by blackribbon and myself and he's RIGHT! I also tried to tell you the same thing. It's not what you say, it's HOW you say it (or write it in this case).

If He or Anyone is claiming to be a Christian and professes to read and obeys the Bible when it comes to Lifestyles....then unashamedly admits to partaking in one or more Lifestyles that is flatout condemned by God....then I will call out that Person on it which is what Gods Word calls us to do. Christians are not called to take the worlds attitude of being tolerant to any immoral Lifestyle that a professed Bible Follower doesn't care to live out correctly. Stop letting our culture have such a profound influence on you and become committed to God , his ways, his moral mandates for living , and refuse to be a complacent Believer.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

Is King David in heaven? Did Jesus offer living water (and salvation) to the woman at the well who was living with a man she was not married to without even implying that she needed a lifestyle change? Although, I don't know that I agree with Dayhiker's stance, I do not feel safe in my own righteousness to presume to condemn him to hell like you want to.

Your "reason" often only sounds reasonable to you.

You fail to understand that Jesus told her to 'Go AND SIN NO MORE' in her sexual immorality . Jesus most certainly indicated she needed a lifestyle change . His Word in numerous places state that we are to leave behind wordly living and its enforced with eternal consequences if professed CHristians don't.

Your reason is skewed because you err not knowing the Scriptures.

EVERY person that God or Jesus forgave of their sin was followed by that Person turning from it ; he doesn't forgive us so we can lavish more in it. It doesn't matter what we've done , we can be forgiven of it ; but Christs sacrifice isn't a credit-card to keep living in sin. Christ came to give us victory over sin , and not to remain in it.

Werent you ever instructed on this fact ?

 

[blackribbon]

David

I didn't ask advice on how to get along with my brother. I didn't even say that only I was going to do the checking or if I was going to pass it on to him too. But I did say that he knew that I was doing this and was okay with it. So my relationship with him is intact. I am actually very good with maintaining relationships, even with people others consider "difficult".

Amazingly enough, Michelle and I only have problems with you (and maybe Exit...but that is only on one topic and he ASKS for advice on that topic). I don't have anyone arguing with me on my profile page either unlike someone else. Maybe the problem isn't with us but rather resides in your mirror.

And I suspect that you like to argue for the sake of arguing, but you haven't realized that you aren't impressing anyone here. Please come down off your cloud and participate as an equal instead of always trying to prove you are smarter than the rest of us. You don't stand a chance. The intelligence level and the Biblical knowledge on this forum constantly has me in awe and is why I love to talk here...even when we often have very different opinions.

 

[blackribbon]

You fail to understand that Jesus told her to 'Go AND SIN NO MORE' in her sexual immorality .

No, He didn't. Look it up.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

David

I didn't ask advice on how to get along with my brother. I didn't even say that only I was going to do the checking or if I was going to pass it on to him too. But I did say that he knew that I was doing this and was okay with it. So my relationship with him is intact. I am actually very good with maintaining relationships, even with people others consider "difficult".

Amazingly enough, Michelle and I only have problems with you (and maybe Exit...but that is only on one topic and he ASKS for advice on that topic). I don't have anyone arguing with me on my profile page either unlike someone else. Maybe the problem isn't with us but rather resides in your mirror.

And I suspect that you like to argue for the sake of arguing, but you haven't realized that you aren't impressing anyone here. Please come down off your cloud and participate as an equal instead of always trying to prove you are smarter than the rest of us. You don't stand a chance. The intelligence level and the Biblical knowledge on this forum constantly has me in awe and is why I love to talk here...even when we often have very different opinions.

Honestly, I believe you and Michelle have problems in your lives and not just with me and someone else called Exit on CF. ANd I think these current life issues which upset you both often get expressed toward Others because they are a catalyst for making you hyper-sensitive to what others say . Its kind of the fallout from having emotional turmoil in ones own life . Its a natural thing, albeit a pain for Others to have loaded on them unfairly . At any rate, I do have compassion for what you are both going thru as life is difficult sometimes ; maybe when you two are so stressed with life that you should take a break from getting into deeper issues on CF ?? Just a thought for the benefit of all concerned.

Further, you have so many misconceptions about me ; you've both jumped to incorrect conclusions concerning me and it shows you both to be difficult people temperment wise .

Im not hear to impress anyone ... im here on CF to help people and if youre going to concentrate on our personality differences and backbite me on everything I have to offer up, then we should not answer each others posts for the sake of peace and harmony . Please let me know if you think we should refrain from answering each others Posts so such disparaging remarks can be prevented in the future . Ill await your reply on this before I unsubscribe from this thread.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

No, He didn't. Look it up.

So then you think Jesus forgave sins and didn't expect the Forgiven Person to leave their sin or change ?! One of the biggest delusions taking place within The CHristian Faith today, are people trusting in CHrists atonement for the cancelling of all their sins while still enjoying the very sins Christ died for and making lifestyle choices out of them. What utter hypocrisy and foolheartiness . God cannot be mocked . And it is very very shallow of you if you think lifestyle sin doesn't need to be turned from ; simply amazing to me if this is your stand . And its even more amazing that you wouldn't encourage a Sexual Immoralist to leave the lifestyle as an act of love toward that person so they don't have to suffer the eternal consequences that Scripture keeps saying shall happen.

Out of curiosity, how long have you surrounded yourself with The Bible ? Can u give me some idea ?

 

[blackribbon]

So then you think Jesus forgave sins and didn't expect the Forgiven Person to leave their sin or change ?! One of the biggest delusions taking place within The CHristian Faith today, are people trusting in CHrists atonement for the cancelling of all their sins while still enjoying the very sins Christ died for and making lifestyle choices out of them. What utter hypocrisy and foolheartiness . God cannot be mocked . And it is very very shallow of you if you think lifestyle sin doesn't need to be turned from ; simply amazing to me if this is your stand . And its even more amazing that you wouldn't encourage a Sexual Immoralist to leave the lifestyle as an act of love toward that person so they don't have to suffer the eternal consequences that Scripture keeps saying shall happen.

Out of curiosity, how long have you surrounded yourself with The Bible ? Can u give me some idea ?

I believe the Bible. Did you even take the time to read the story? She was not looking for forgiveness and was Samaritan so not tied to the Jewish laws. She offered Jesus water when she did not need to. He offered her "living water" in return. He never asked anything of her beyond believing in Him.

I have been a Christian reading my Bible thoughtfully since I was about 10 years old. It is you who mixed up your Bible reference, not I.

I see more damage being done to God's Word by legalist Christians than exists in the non-Christian world. That is my observation.

 

[blackribbon]

How about you?

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

I believe the Bible. Did you even take the time to read the story? She was not looking for forgiveness and was Samaritan so not tied to the Jewish laws. She offered Jesus water when she did not need to. He offered her "living water" in return. He never asked anything of her beyond believing in Him.

I have been a Christian reading my Bible thoughtfully since I was about 10 years old. It is you who mixed up your Bible reference, not I.

I see more damage being done to God's Word by legalist Christians than exists in the non-Christian world. That is my observation.

'Believing' in Christ means all he did on the cross , or in this case at the Well, WHO he was . The fact that Jesus exposed her sleeping with numerous men is proof positive that he doesn't take lifestyle sin lightly...certainly not endorsing it for that is insane considering who he is and what he has done for us on the cross.

A 'legalistic Christian' is not One who takes Gods commands seriously ; its a carnal liberal professed Christian who wants Fire Insurance yet thinks nothing of living as the worldly person does as if Christ gave a credit card to rack up all the sin you want. That's why Christ gave us the passage on the Sheep and the Wolves ... its to tell us that we cant fool God . I wish that Lifestyle Immoralists who sit in Church Pews would be given a chance to start living for Christ and if they don't want to , to be told not to return. That's the mandate from God in 1 Cor. 5.

You may have read the Bible since age 10, but youre way too influenced by our Godless American Culture obviously.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

How about you?

How about me, what ???

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

Honestly, I believe you and Michelle have problems in your lives and not just with me and someone else called Exit on CF. ANd I think these current life issues which upset you both often get expressed toward Others because they are a catalyst for making you hyper-sensitive to what others say . Its kind of the fallout from having emotional turmoil in ones own life . Its a natural thing, albeit a pain for Others to have loaded on them unfairly . At any rate, I do have compassion for what you are both going thru as life is difficult sometimes ; maybe when you two are so stressed with life that you should take a break from getting into deeper issues on CF ?? Just a thought for the benefit of all concerned.

Further, you have so many misconceptions about me ; you've both jumped to incorrect conclusions concerning me and it shows you both to be difficult people temperment wise .

Im not hear to impress anyone ... im here on CF to help people and if youre going to concentrate on our personality differences and backbite me on everything I have to offer up, then we should not answer each others posts for the sake of peace and harmony . Please let me know if you think we should refrain from answering each others Posts so such disparaging remarks can be prevented in the future . Ill await your reply on this before I unsubscribe from this thread.

So I guess the answer is no you cannot ever admit you are wrong about anything because you are never wrong, am I right? You think that blackribbon and myself are difficult because we don't agree with you and yet, dayhiker and I get along splendidly even though I do not agree with his lifestyle choice. He knows it and we are still friends. Do you think that we have never discussed our differences with dayhiker (or anyone else for that matter)? Because we have. So you are WRONG about us just letting someone go to h-e-l-l without caring about their souls. But when you share your opinion and they don't agree, you cannot force them to change. It's their walk between them and God. And I get along with everyone else here so I don't get how you think I'm difficult, oh yeah, I forgot, it's because I don't agree with YOU. Oh well.

You accuse me of letting our culture have such a profound effect on me but you don't even know me. So you don't get to tell me what to do. And your questions about how long have you surrounded yourself with the bible, besides the weirdly worded question, you only ask to have a come back of how much longer or better you have studied. How dare you say that our views are anti-biblical. blackribbon and I are well liked and respected on this section of the forum. I am confident in that. I am also confident that there are others besides blackribbon and myself that feel similar to us regarding your posts. I have tried hard to be nice and humble and tell you how I feel, only to have you come back and tell me how I'm anti-biblical, unintelligent and have much baggage that I should not even come here. WOW. Funny thing is the whole reason I STARTED coming here was because I was a widow and I needed some SUPPORT. I still am a widow, and I have a few issues in life but I am not so stressed out as you think and I don't feel I dump on anyone here and I know they don't feel that way either.

 

[Doctor Strangelove]

David, just because someone is busy with their life and they aren't spending all their time harping on what sin they suspect someone might be guilty of does not mean they are living a worldly lifestyle. Do you really believe blackribbon, between school and taking care of her children, is out there living some wild lifestyle? Do you really believe that Michelle, between working two jobs and taking care of her children, is living some wild lifestyle? It is always, if you so much as emphasize something differently than I do you must be living some horrible lifestyle or you must be a heretic or you must be crazy, because I am the Biblical authority. That's what it sounds like.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

Thanks for having our backs Dr.

It's kind of ironic IMO. See David wants us to be bashing dayhiker and telling him, everyday I guess, that he better knock it off ,or he will not be going to heaven because he is sinning.
Yet, I seem to remember something in the bible about Jesus confronting the Pharisees, why?, because they were doing the exact same thing! I believe He called them white washed tombs. So I have been trying to tell David that his attitude and how he comes across (because I cannot know his heart) is pushing people away, not only from him, but from the bible and YET, he "unashamedly stands with the word of God" (whatever he means by that) and will not consider my points.

 

[Messy]

No, He didn't. Look it up.

He didn't have to, He told her she had 5 men and the man she had wasn't her husband and that convicted her.
And many of the Samaritans of that city believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, “He told me all that I ever did.”
Galatians 5:19 is clear.
We're saved by grace through faith, but faith without works is dead.