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stumpjumper · May 3, 2006

Uphill Battle said:
This is of course, assuming that it ever supported a tail. And there is no evidence that it ever did. May I ask if tailbones in other creatures support the abdominal contents in the same manner? none, to my knowledge. So, somehow the primary function switched. Not that it isn't performing a primary function any longer, but that it has it's own new primary function, which would be a near impossibility, would it not?

Yes. It's actually called "co-option" and it one of the primary ways that complexity is built up in an organism.

See. You're already halfway there to being an evolutionary biologist

Think of the transitionals. How would a creature survive the transition between a creature that required the "inner" tailbone to support its guts, and an outer one, to support the tail? It doesn't make much straight forward sense.

The thing is transition takes a long time... Heck we're all in transition right now and we don't even know it... Sure there are gaps in our knowledge but there are also very real refutations to unique special creation.

It might not make straight forward sense but none of us know everything anyway and sometimes the easiest explanation is not always the right one...

Asimov · May 3, 2006

BigChrisfilm said:
"A young man approached me at a seminar and stated, Well, I still believe in the big bang, and that we arrived here by chance random processes. I dont believe in God. I answered him, Well, then obviously your brain, and your thought processes, are also the product of randomness. So you dont know whether it evolved the right way, or even what right would mean in that context. Young man, you dont know if youre making correct statements or even whether youre asking me the right questions."

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/creation.asp

Oh...oh...oh my....I'm so overhwelmed by this revelation....I need to sit down. I'm already sitting down....oh dear, I'm a mess.

Uphill Battle · May 3, 2006

stumpjumper said:
Yes. It's actually called "co-option" and it one of the primary ways that complexity is built up in an organism.

See. You're already halfway there to being an evolutionary biologist

The thing is transition takes a long time... Heck we're all in transition right now and we don't even know it... Sure there are gaps in our knowledge but there are also very real refutations to unique special creation.

It might not make straight forward sense but none of us know everything anyway and sometimes the easiest explanation is not always the right one...

You're right... I AM halfway to being an evolutionary biologist... I'm sure I can make evidence fit whatever I want it to fit.

Funny, you way the easiest explanation is not always the right one... Occams Razor is commonly used to DISprove God and special creation... hmm.

BigChrisfilm · May 3, 2006

stumpjumper said:
Because if you deny evolution then you are not following the evidence as to where it leads...

The only group of people that seriously doubts, or objects to, the ToE are Christian Creationists (big C).

Why do you think that is?

The book of Genesis is not evidence about our biological origin.

That isn't true, I am not the only person that objects to it, there is the christian point of view, and the other point of view, and neither of us are ever going to prove the other wrong.

yasic · May 3, 2006

BigChrisfilm said:
That isn't true, I am not the only person that objects to it, there is the christian point of view, and the other point of view, and neither of us are ever going to prove the other wrong.

I'm sure the people who thought tidal waves were caused by an angry god said the same thing.

KerrMetric · May 3, 2006

Another great example of a CF thread butchering science at the altar of ignorance.

michabo · May 3, 2006

BigChrisfilm said:
I don't believe in Evolution, I do however believe in the same evidence that you do, the fact is, we all have the same evidence, we all live on the same earth, in the same universe, but we have different interpratations of the facts, which start with our presupposition.

We all have the same evidence? I know that I definately do not have all of the evidence for evolution and I've done a lot of reading on it, and covered it in a class (it was covered in geology, interestingly enough).

I have my doubts that most YECs could even tell me what the theory of evolution says, let alone list some of the evidence which supports it.

At least I would like to think so. The alternatives are too unpleasant.

BigChrisfilm · May 4, 2006

yasic said:
I'm sure the people who thought tidal waves were caused by an angry god said the same thing.

Who thinks that again?

BigChrisfilm · May 4, 2006

michabo said:
We all have the same evidence? I know that I definately do not have all of the evidence for evolution and I've done a lot of reading on it, and covered it in a class (it was covered in geology, interestingly enough).

I have my doubts that most YECs could even tell me what the theory of evolution says, let alone list some of the evidence which supports it.

At least I would like to think so. The alternatives are too unpleasant.

I said we all have the same evidence, not that we all had all the evidence, do you understand the differance?

KerrMetric · May 4, 2006

BigChrisfilm said:
I said we all have the same evidence, not that we all had all the evidence, do you understand the differance?

The problem is that the Creationist side seem to have no one with the capability of actually analysing the evidence or they just lie if needs be.

BigChrisfilm · May 4, 2006

Well I completely dissagree with that, lol.

numberprophet · May 4, 2006

KerrMetric · May 4, 2006

BigChrisfilm said:
Well I completely dissagree with that, lol.

Why? I was 100% spot on, without a doubt.

Uphill Battle · May 4, 2006

KerrMetric said:
Why? I was 100% spot on, without a doubt.

if by "unable" you mean "in disagreement" then yes, you are 100% spot on. And I find it funny that the creationists would be accused of lies... The ToE has a sordid history of fakes, forgeries, and disinformation.

The pot indeed is black as the kettle.

BigChrisfilm · May 4, 2006

KerrMetric said:
Why? I was 100% spot on, without a doubt.

because you have given me no reason to believe that is true.

KerrMetric · May 4, 2006

Uphill Battle said:
if by "unable" you mean "in disagreement" then yes, you are 100% spot on. And I find it funny that the creationists would be accused of lies... The ToE has a sordid history of fakes, forgeries, and disinformation.

The pot indeed is black as the kettle.

No not disagreement, I mean a mixture of purely incapable fools or professional liars trying to milk money from a VERY gullible uneducated audience.

Apart from a couple of 100 year old or so examples, which were uncovered by the science community I cannot think of any fakes. However, you can be sure that when the main Creationist groups write an article its either a deliberate quote mine/fabrication or the ramblings of idiots.

KerrMetric · May 4, 2006

BigChrisfilm said:
because you have given me no reason to believe that is true.

Just log on to the ICR or AIG websites and read the garbage. The proof of these witless fools/liars is there for all to laugh at.

Uphill Battle · May 4, 2006

KerrMetric said:
No not disagreement, I mean a mixture of purely incapable fools or professional liars trying to milk money from a VERY gullible uneducated audience.

Apart from a couple of 100 year old or so examples, which were uncovered by the science community I cannot think of any fakes. However, you can be sure that when the main Creationist groups write an article its either a deliberate quote mine/fabrication or the ramblings of idiots.

so, your basic assertion then, is if someone believes in special creation, they are in fact, a moron.

KerrMetric · May 4, 2006

Uphill Battle said:
so, your basic assertion then, is if someone believes in special creation, they are in fact, a moron.

Nice bait and switch.

No I mean the people putting forward Creation Science are either liars or morons. It's not the special creation I have a problem with - it is the lying and twisting of science by these fools I have a problem with.

If you read my profile you'll see why I have a problem with these frauds.

BigChrisfilm · May 4, 2006

KerrMetric said:
Just log on to the ICR or AIG websites and read the garbage. The proof of these witless fools/liars is there for all to laugh at.

so mIRC is a good source of info, I haven't been on that since I was like..... 17, lol.

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