You are telling God how to define his grace. That takes chutspah.
You can quote all the verses about initial justification you want. It doesn't make the verses about our ongoing walk disappear.
PERFECT!You can have my wages, I do not want them. I like the free gift much better. Romans 6:23
You can no obligate nor manipulate God.
When you tell God at the judgment you kept the law (commandments), He will present the evidence you did not and pass the sentence demanded of the law. I would say retirement is going to be slightly warmer than the tropical paradise.
please post examples fro the forum!I started this thread because I was sickened by a reply in another thread that was an example of "cheap grace." I deliberately did not paste it here, because I think it might violate flaming rules. I'm sure you know the sort of posts I'm referring to.
TRUE grace is never cheap. I'm referring to the fantasy that some Christians have of God's forgiveness without repentance; repentance meaning turning back to God's way, a way of obedience, faithfulness, etc.
Thanks bro! And high time we seek facts, not accusations, and diatribes!Respectfully, The Frog is on point, in that no one is presenting that grace is cheap.(Grace is precious and valuable in that it cost Jesus His life.)
What does the scripture teach on this subject?
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Those scriptures above teach: We're saved by God's grace through (the working of) faith. Not by "good works" or any action on our part. Grace is a FREE gift from God, so no man can claim any part of it.
Eph 2:10 explains that; Once saved by grace, God's plan ordains the believers to the ministry (works).
dear sis, i have been beat up for the gospel, so never presume that i don't have scars to prove it. The frog can boast in his works, but does not,Oh, froggie doesn't like that one.
Our Christian life doesn't end with our salvation. Repentance means we have returned to God's way, that we now walk with God. It is a way of life. There is a ton of verses that talk about this (froggie are yu paying attention?):What do you mean Grace for the journey?
As I've already stated, I don't want to break the flaming rules. However, I'm quite certain you know exactly what I'm referring to.please post examples fro the forum!
Not at all. I'm not that brilliant. I learned the terms by reading the Catholic Lutheran Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification that was issued in 2000. It was a watershed in Church history; you really should read it, as it heals the whole faith/works disagreement between Catholics and Lutherans.No, I'm showing you how God defines His grace. Grace is grace. There in no such thing as "initial justification" or "initial grace", it's just something you made up.
you really want to get me disciplined don't you. I thought you cared.no, don't worry you said it, please post it, thanks!
I am not looking for trouble, this is a debate section, where we looking for facts, something you do not post, said with all due respect.you really want to get me disciplined don't you. I thought you cared.
I don't believe for a second you need a quote. You know very well of what I speak, so stop trying to get me into trouble.
We all know that they've misunderstood the concept of Sola Fide, just as devotees of "Works Righteousness" have done, but from the opposite angle.How many times have I heard some Christians complain that they are against "works salvation" by which they mean they don't want a Christian faith that demands anything of them???
Don't pretend yo don't already have them.we looking for facts
Oh balogna. There have been examples of cheap grace posts just since we've started the thread and you know very well which ones they are. I don't need to put my status in danger to appease you, so stop being so selfish.well gosh, you started a thread, and so far it is the MOST unsubstantiated thread I have ever seen!
How many times have I heard some Christians complain that they are against "works salvation" by which they mean they don't want a Christian faith that demands anything of them??? I have news for them. Christ demands EVERYTHING of us. OUR VERY LIVES are to be a living sacrifice unto him. That said, how can you complain about God asking our obedience, our faithfulness, our good works? "For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works" Eph 2:10. Yes, we are saved by Grace, but not a cheap grace!
I've met a number of people in online chats who do expressly say that OSAS means that even complete apostasy lasting until the death of the apostate cannot deprive the 'saved' of their salvation. That does sound like a case of personal crossless christianity insofar as those saying it seem to think that one need not take up his cross and follow the Lord.can you show any posts here that are "cheap grace"?
Actually that phrase is an oxymoron, because grace can't be cheap, it is the power of God.
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