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Chastity for all homosexuals is wrong

UberLutheran

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I have read the Bible as well. Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, and Romans 1:26-27 discuss God's view on homosexuality. The Lord refers to it as an "abomination."

There are a great many "abominations" listed in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy -- which are disregarded very day.

God forbid anybody tell a Christian they can't have a pork roast -- or shrimp, or lobster; or for that matter, a pet dog or cat (all of which are abominations).
 
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This is so sad. :(

Loneliness may cause a nervous breakdown, it is not caused by chastity - it's caused by remoteness from supportive friends and from God. My guess is that you were hanging out with other homosexuals and the temptation got too great. God is faithful not to tempt us with more than we can bear, but we must be faithful to remove ourselves from temptation, just like Joseph did with Potipher's wife. He is a great lesson to all of us who are choosing to live chastely!
Hi, at that time, I'd never met another homosexual, that I knew of.

My breakdowns were as a result of me overworking myself, partly because I am a workaholic, but also because I didn't want to spend time with myself. I'd get depressed going to an empty home. It kinda sucks.
 
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I was going to ask if you had a history of depression. I had three nervous breakdowns myself (before I came to Christ), and I'm not a homosexual, although I was living a life of chastity at the time. BTW, I'm not *assuming* you had a nervous breakdown for any reason at all- I just wondered if perhaps you (like me) had a history of depression or anxiety.

And no, I would never wish a NB on anybody. They're all shades of awful, aren't they? :hug:
Yes, with 3 nervous breakdowns you can consider it a history of depression. Still under treatment.
 
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There are a great many "abominations" listed in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy -- which are disregarded very day.

God forbid anybody tell a Christian they can't have a pork roast -- or shrimp, or lobster; or for that matter, a pet dog or cat (all of which are abominations).

I follow the dietary laws in Leviticus. I do not eat pork. I do not eat shrimp, lobster, or any shellfish. I do not pick and choose what commands in Leviticus to follow. I am unclear where it says one cannot have a pet dog or cat. I thought they were just unclean to eat.
 
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I follow the dietary laws in Leviticus. I do not eat pork. I do not eat shrimp, lobster, or any shellfish. I do not pick and choose what commands in Leviticus to follow. I am unclear where it says one cannot have a pet dog or cat. I thought they were just unclean to eat.

According to Leviticus 11, dogs and cats are unclean, period.

In Matthew, Jesus refers to the Samaritan woman as "a dog". (Of course, Matthew's focus was to convince the Jews that Jesus was indeed the Messiah, so Jesus is going to be concerned with getting the Laws "right".)
 
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According to Leviticus 11, dogs and cats are unclean, period.

In Matthew, Jesus refers to the Samaritan woman as "a dog". (Of course, Matthew's focus was to convince the Jews that Jesus was indeed the Messiah, so Jesus is going to be concerned with getting the Laws "right".)

Leviticus 11:26-28:
The carcases of every beast which divideth the hoof, and is not clovenfooted, nor cheweth the cud, are unclean unto you: every one that toucheth them shall be unclean. And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even. And he that beareth the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you.

I just read all of Leviticus 11 for clarification. True, cats and dogs are unclean to eat. Also, one should not touch their dead bodies. However, the Scripture does not say they cannot be kept as pets--just don't eat them or touch their dead bodies. (If you do touch their dead bodies, however, that just means you are unclean until the evening.) :)
 
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Did Jesus say homosexuals should remain celibate?
Jesus said that the woman who was taken in adultery had her sins forgiven and best of all - to go and sin no more. Sex outside of marriage is a sin. It is NOT IMPOSSIBLE to conquer temptation. With God, all things are possible - and I'm the evidence of that promise! :)
 
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Hi, at that time, I'd never met another homosexual, that I knew of.

My breakdowns were as a result of me overworking myself, partly because I am a workaholic, but also because I didn't want to spend time with myself. I'd get depressed going to an empty home. It kinda sucks.
I totally agree with you - so you needed to get out with great groups of people and into a super church - not out of the closet, so to speak! :D

I'm not negating what you went through! I've been in the bottom also. Sort of what Uber went through - loss on top of loss. What it taught me was to lean on the Lord, not on my own understanding which in God's terms is pretty puny! :wave:
 
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According to Leviticus 11, dogs and cats are unclean, period.

In Matthew, Jesus refers to the Samaritan woman as "a dog". (Of course, Matthew's focus was to convince the Jews that Jesus was indeed the Messiah, so Jesus is going to be concerned with getting the Laws "right".)
My Leviticus 11 doesn't have anything about dogs and cats. In fact, I need to check my notes, but somewhere I actually read that food WAS thrown to the dogs (no, not Jezebel's body :D ). It surprised me as I had never noticed it before!
 
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Leviticus 11:26-28:
The carcases of every beast which divideth the hoof, and is not clovenfooted, nor cheweth the cud, are unclean unto you: every one that toucheth them shall be unclean. And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even. And he that beareth the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you.

I just read all of Leviticus 11 for clarification. True, cats and dogs are unclean to eat. Also, one should not touch their dead bodies. However, the Scripture does not say they cannot be kept as pets--just don't eat them or touch their dead bodies. (If you do touch their dead bodies, however, that just means you are unclean until the evening.) :)

I think you're twisting the words and the plain meaning of Scripture... :p
 
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I agree, if you are married to someone (Not neccesarily by law but, under god) sex is ok. I know it sounds a tad odd from a 17 year old but, sex is a beautiful thing that married couples should be able to enjoy, sex should be about love.

I belive that people have mistranslated romans a bit. I think what it means is gay fornication is still fornication just like hetero fornication, it's the same sin.
 
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I think you're twisting the words and the plain meaning of Scripture... :p

What words of Scripture am I twisting? Seriously, I would not want to do that. However, Leviticus 11 specifically says touching the "carcase" of a dog or cat is unclean, not touching the live animal. Please, if there is a Scripture that says otherwise, let me know what it is.
 
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What words of Scripture am I twisting? Seriously, I would not want to do that. However, Leviticus 11 specifically says touching the "carcase" of a dog or cat is unclean, not touching the live animal. Please, if there is a Scripture that says otherwise, let me know what it is.

I was being facetious. Hence, the :p.
 
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My Leviticus 11 doesn't have anything about dogs and cats. In fact, I need to check my notes, but somewhere I actually read that food WAS thrown to the dogs (no, not Jezebel's body :D ). It surprised me as I had never noticed it before!

Leviticus 11:27-28

And all that walk on their paws, among the animals that go on all fours, are unclean to you. Whoever touches their carcass shall be unclean until the evening, 28 and he who carries their carcass shall wash his clothes and be unclean until the evening; they are unclean to you.
 
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I was being facetious. Hence, the :p.

:doh:In that case, I apologize. I've been seriously accused of twisting Scripture on other boards (e.g., the Catholic thread in Apolgetics), so it's rather a sensitive issue for me, considering the grave nature of the charge.
 
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:doh:In that case, I apologize. I've been seriously accused of twisting Scripture on other boards (e.g., the Catholic thread in Apolgetics), so it's rather a sensitive issue for me, considering the grave nature of the charge.

Same thing applies with the other post on cats.

When I go into "Lutheran sermon" mode, you'll usually see me using icons like these: :preach: :liturgy:

When I'm being facetious, you'll usually see me using icons like these: ;) :D :p :wave: ^_^

When I'm saying something which is deliberately off-the-wall, I'll use these: :blush: :sorry:
 
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The closest I came was last summer when (in a two-month period), my father had a stroke and ended up in a rehab hospital; my stepmother died of a sudden heart attack; my step sister had a near-fatal stroke; my stepbrother had his 4th, 5th, and 6th DWIs (which my family decided my partner and I should bail him out since we had bought a house and therefore we had to be flush with money (!) -- and no, we didn't bail him out of jail! :clap:); my uncle and aunt in the same family on my mother's side of the family died within one month of each other; my other uncle was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer; and I picked up a serious staph infection from the rehab hospital (where I was trying to help the other patients in addition to my father).

I didn't get "the full-fledged breakdown" but it was a two months I wouldn't care to go through again any time soon, nor was the six months' emotional recovery from that much fun, either!

"Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln - how was the play?" That pretty much describes last summer.

I'm so sorry you had to go through that. :hug:
 
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