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Channel 4 does documentary on Christian Naturists

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Hi everyone,
The Channel 4 production "God's Nudists" is going to air on British TV this Wednesday (18th October).

The show was masterminded by a Florida based Quaker called Bill Martin, who is a devout Christian as well as an inveterate naturist. He believes that more Christians should get involved with naturism, and set up their own communities in their locales.

http://www.itv.com/listings/ShowLis...vgenre=0&channelid=CH4&channeldate=18/10/2006
I'm really excited for Bill Martin getting this production to air, especially after seeing him on the Tucker Carlson show. :-D
 

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Sounds like an interesting idea to me.
I'm not a naturist, but I do not think society needs to make such a big deal of nudity, unless it is being done in a threatening manner, like flashers deliberately targeting women to shock and frighten.
And those dumbos who streak during major events - they have to be arrested to get them out of the way, but the publicity surrounding the subsequent court appearance just plays into their hands. It's probably more effective to lock them up for the weekend, then let them go, with zero publicity. Nothing is worse for an exhibitionist than being ignored! :p
I'm curious about the Christian/naturist connection, though - do these folks see naturism as some kind of expression of their faith or is it just a common interest, like the church badminton club?
 
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I don't have a problem with it. I'm sure there are Christian naturists already out there and if their comfortable letting it all literally hang out then why can't they do that together in some kind of fellowship type way? Naked church services could be interesting. At least if some of the worship team feel a little bit insecure they could just hide behind their instruments. Guiters and drums, not sure it would work with the saxaphone, but you never know. I could see a naturist vicar wearing just a collar.

Of course everyone would have to be naked because it wouldn't be fair on those poor souls who like to see bodies covered in clothes. But yeah I can see it working.

It's not something I would opt for personally, but I see no problem with it. There's no sexual attraction involved in naturism, it's perfectly safe unless of course your in an environment where people are ironing or cooking. Oil spitting from the frying pan could get nasty. Other than that...what's the problem?

Live and let live I say.
 
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I watched part of the programme and was surprised at how comfortable I felt looking at the bodies of fellow men. One of them made a good point when he said that it is silly to think that God would be offended by the human body that he himself created.
 
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I really do believe that the guys running Natura are really pure and sincere in their motives. However I still believe that a nudist camp is inappropiate from a Christian perspective. Even if it isnt the sex thing that draws someone to nudism, the temptation will still always be there.

I think that nudism in a private place for either a person on their own or a married couple is fine and potentially liberating.

I support peoples right to live in nudist camps, but I dont see it as something I could condone as a good idea.
 
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I really do believe that the guys running Natura are really pure and sincere in their motives. However I still believe that a nudist camp is inappropiate from a Christian perspective. Even if it isnt the sex thing that draws someone to nudism, the temptation will still always be there.

I think that nudism in a private place for either a person on their own or a married couple is fine and potentially liberating.

I support peoples right to live in nudist camps, but I dont see it as something I could condone as a good idea.

Hi Bonhoffer,

Bill Martin is a very hated and controversial character in the American naturist scene. If you want to find out what others are saying about him, you could pop in to these groups:

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.naturist
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.nude

Some see him as a righteous and persecuted leader, whilst many more see him as a two-bit con artist who has hurt a lot of innocent people with his business dealings.

How do you think that naturist camps are "inappropriate" from a Christian perspective? Jesus never had any problem with it, and neither should any of his followers.

You seem to have a very Victorian outlook on the human form.

Nudism with people other than yourself or your girlfriend/spouse is very liberating - there is no wearing of masks or egos and you can relate to people on much more deeper and effective level than if they are dressed. That's what I have found anyway in the 16 years that I've been a naturist.

Added to that, the first naturist camps to open in Germany and North America in the first half of the 20th century were by devout Christians.

As for the sexual aspect, there is nothing to worry about. Nudist camps are very strict about sexual behaviour - as soon as anyone is 'caught with their pants down' (pardon the pun!!), you can bet your last penny that the police will be called and the offending party put on a 'do not admit' list which gets distributed to other camps and clubs around the world.
 
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How do you think that naturist camps are "inappropriate" from a Christian perspective? Jesus never had any problem with it, and neither should any of his followers.
How do you know that Jesus never had a problem with it? I dont think He ever talked about nudism or had an encounter with nudists. He never taught about concaine abuse or caffine addiction either, but it doesnt make those things right. Arguements from silence are often very weak.

The inappropiateness of public nudism is not down to the sexual perversion of those who practice nudism. I genuinely believe that nudists desire the liberation of being clothes free rather than sexual gratification. But even the least sexual of people will open themselves to a stronger possibility of sexual temptation in a nude enviroment. (remember that lust itself is adultury and not just wrong sexual activity) They also open themselves and others to potential embarrasing situations. (for example people might become paranoid about how their body parts compare to that of other people)


You seem to have a very Victorian outlook on the human form.
Not at all! In fact I'm shocked that someone thinks of me of prudish for feeling uncomfortable with nudism. I know far more liberal people than me who dont personally agree with nudism. You will argue that this is due to social conditioning, but I dont think it is.

I believe the human form is very beautiful (God designed it) and will even concede that God probably created people to live in the nude. (i.e Adam and Eve) This is why being naked feels so naturally, simply put it is natural! However there was an incident known as 'The Fall', this is when Gods creation became messed up and many things had to change. For example I dont think God originally planned for us to hunt and eat animals, yet after the fall God tells us to do so. War and violence was not something that God intended for humanity, yet with the Hebrews God built armies and commanded them into battle. These changes came about after the fall not because God had changed, but because the world had become corrupted. Things had to be done differently now because the world had changed.

For me there is a very good reason why the 'private parts' are called 'private'. Its not because they are ugly or evil, but because they should only be shared with someone we have great intimancy with. (i.e husband/wife and God) In many ways my belief that nudity should only be shared between a married couple actually places a higher (not a lower) value on the human body. This is because I am saying that the private regions are so personal that they should only be shared with people who are very special to us.

Nudist camps are like Christmas trees that have unwrapped presents placed underneath them at the start of December. Christmas Day 'unwrapping' in that case loses its magic and excitement because everyone has known all along what they are going to get. However wrapped presents that are opened on Christmas day by the right person are very special and exciting.

You will probably point out the incident of king David worshipping God in the nude. We must bear-in-mind that his intention was to dance for God naked on his own, not in public. God doesnt have a problem with nudity because a)He already knows what we look like b) He cannot be tempted
 
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I used to know a couple who were into naturism and they would have these gatherings in their very large back garden where friends would come over and strip off and I can assure you, there's very little sexual titillation in people's bits wobbling about all over the place :eek: In fact, the opposite is true :D
 
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As the one featured on this program, for me naturism is clearly a part of religious belief as is significntly reduces many of the social sexual problems. Writ to me if you have more questions. We are hoping to open a development in SC as well as Florida.

I also wonder why Quakers are not listed as one of the denomintions for registering. All of us aren't dead. And many Quakers are very active in many social movements and Christian activities.

Bill Martin
Natura
 
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