Changing the purpose of this forum

[Adventist Dissident]

Moderates are included...as for Evangelicals, other than you Ice who is running around proclaiming that they are an Evangelical Adventist?

Why does RC have to declare his beliefs? Why is it necessary? What purpose does it serve?

I figured i would get a rise out of you. I think you should declare the same thing. The purpose is to define where everyone stands. Progressive is an all encompasing term that can mean anything from someone disagrees over intescessory prayer to full blown evolution. There has to be some limits. Hey I will declare what I believe in the next post easy as that I have nothing to hide. People have emailed me expressing concern over the post of RC and Stormy in the last few weeks wondering if they were still christians. so I think that we need to have people declare where they stand.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I believe.....

1. God Created the world in 6 literal day and rested on the 7 day to enjoy his creation.
2. the bible is the inspired word of God, it the rule of faith and practice
3. I believe that jesus is the Son of God. Come from heaven in the fleah and crucifed for my sins.
4. I believe Jesus is the only way to salvation.
5. I believe Jesus entered into the most holy play in the 1st centurary
6. I believe the Sabbath is a Holy day to fellowship with God and family and the believers in Christ
7. I believe the that Historicisim give us the best method to interpt prophecy
8. I do not believe in EGW as a prophet.

There just that simple.

 

[sentipente]

so I think that we need to have people declare where they stand.

Why don't you just go ahead and grant yourself a bunch of doctoral degrees?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Why don't you just go ahead and grant yourself a bunch of doctoral degrees?

whats with the attitude?

 

[sentipente]

whats with the attitude?

It's a reaction to your attitude to call on anyone to make a declaration of where they stand.

 

[StormyOne]

I figured i would get a rise out of you. I think you should declare the same thing. The purpose is to define where everyone stands. Progressive is an all encompasing term that can mean anything from someone disagrees over intescessory prayer to full blown evolution. There has to be some limits. Hey I will declare what I believe in the next post easy as that I have nothing to hide. People have emailed me expressing concern over the post of RC and Stormy in the last few weeks wondering if they were still christians. so I think that we need to have people declare where they stand.

Who says there has to be limits? If people are concerned then they need to email RC or myself as you cannot answer for either of us.... Just because someone has emailed you with their wonderment, you feel that people need to declare where they stand? I think not.... this is not the Inquisition, nor is it an issue of life and death..... we are discussing ideas, issues, and contemplating various topics I know some are incomfortable with... that's what discussion boards do....

I have nothing to hide but I don't need to declare anything to interact on a internet discussion board.... what's next declaring what kind of car we drive? How often we kiss our wives? I think someone is taking this a little too seriously....

 

[gcfrankie]

Sentipente,
Did you read the dialogue I had with RC about uncalled for remarks (slamming)?
You list in your profile that you are a pastor and I want to know is this how you treat the members of your church or prospective newcomers? As a pastor you are a leader and should help us to curb this kind of behavior instead of encouraging it by your post above #244. It should be up to each individual as to if they want to declare where they stand in their beliefs from reading the bible.
What little I have read of your postings I would really like an honest answer to this question: What is your honest opinion of those who have left the church (formers) and those who are studying their way out?
If you answer this please no smart remarks as you have done to others.
Thank-you in Jesus's name.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

I believe.....

1. God Created the world in 6 literal day and rested on the 7 day to enjoy his creation.
2. the bible is the inspired word of God, it the rule of faith and practice
3. I believe that jesus is the Son of God. Come from heaven in the fleah and crucifed for my sins.
4. I believe Jesus is the only way to salvation.
5. I believe Jesus entered into the most holy play in the 1st centurary
6. I believe the Sabbath is a Holy day to fellowship with God and family and the believers in Christ
7. I believe the that Historicisim give us the best method to interpt prophecy
8. I do not believe in EGW as a prophet.

There just that simple.

Well I have no problem declaring where I stand, I have a blog and a website
http://newprotestants.com
http://www.cafesda.blogspot.com

So really if you have people who ask you about me the wisest thing to do would be to direct them to those sites. But for your convenience I will use your template and explain my beliefs.

1. God Created the world, though we may not understand the how and when of creation, the complexity of the universe demands a designer.
2. the bible is inspired by God, given providing insights into man and God, it was written by human beings and thus contains errors and misunderstandings are well as scientific and cultural views which are outdated by man's increase in knowledge. it is to be used as a means to increase faith in God and inform man about how they should live and things they should avoid, as such it is a good source for the rule of faith and practice. It has long been the substructure for Western Civilization which has provided valuable service to the world.
3. I believe that Jesus is God. Who appeared in human form to reveal the nature and character of God in the most comprehensible way. Whose life death and resurrection reveal the love of God, His power to forgive even those who tortured and killed Him and who raised Himself from the dead to prove the promise that God offer of life is available even to those who die.
4. I believe God is the only way to salvation. It is not what man knows or does not know but the gift of God that provides salvation. The trust of man is the only work that man can do in regards to salvation. To believe that God can and will save. In other words accepting the gift God offers. Even those who never hear of God or Jesus can be saved according to God's knowledge of those people.
5. I believe Jesus left the earthly incarnation in the first century, as God He is ever present and never limited to any specific location.
6. I believe the Sabbath is a wonderful period in time for man to rest from the exertions of life and recreates however he sees fit. I believe that we as Christians should regularly get together for fellowship with other believers. The concept of rest however is not restricted to one particular day nor should fellowship be restricted.
7. I believe that Historicism has proven to be one of the least likely methods of interpreting prophecy. While it was once the most popular of Christian methods of interpretation due to it's numerous errors it is now a very doubtful use. Apocalyptic literature is written to be vague and can easily be interpreted as different things to different people at different times. Thus the purpose is less likely to tell you what will happen but to provide assurance that even in hard times God has not abandoned people.
8. I do not believe in EGW as a prophet. I do however believe she was a Christian woman who loved God.

 

[sentipente]

Sentipente,
Did you read the dialogue I had with RC about uncalled for remarks (slamming)?

Please explain how detailing the effect of a position that a poster has taken constitutes slamming. Maybe you should be more concerned about your uncalled for remarks. I will be certain to respond when you direct relevant remarks in my general direction.

 

[sentipente]

What little I have read of your postings I would really like an honest answer to this question: What is your honest opinion of those who have left the church (formers) and those who are studying their way out?
If you answer this please no smart remarks as you have done to others.
Thank-you in Jesus's name.

What do you mean by an honest opinion in this case? What would be gained by giving a false opinion? Why should I care which group an individual chooses to fellowship with? That's his/her democratic right. I have no idea what it means to study oneself out of a fellowship. That sounds rather negative to me. I simply study reality and follow the data whereever it leads.

 

[Restin]

You will do what you have to do but as I see it that those who have one foot in the church and the other foot on the way out and are seeking answers will feel they will have no place to go to seek the answers they are looking for... Gail

Thanks Gail for your comments. Your entire post is good, and hope you don't mind my emphasizing the point that seems more critical.

I joined this forum 4 days ago...because it accepted 'former adventist'. As I surfed around this site before I joined, in my mind I said "Praise the Lord" there are some SDAs that have 'core SDA' beliefs/understanding who are digging, studying, not resting in a lounge chair waiting for the minister to spoon feed them. I did not see this particular topic listed, though it must have been there before I came on board.

Going forward, I hope to turn a 'blind eye' to posts that are judgmental of others on the forum, and not give these the time of day. But as responsibility rest on the moderators, I realize you can't do that as easily.

RC, I know you are troubled about keeping things under control. Our prayers are with and for you as well as the other moderators in making the right decisions about this particular matter!

Peace.......Restin

 

[gcfrankie]

When I said an honest answer I was saying I did not want a circular answer. What I was refering to when I said studying one out of a denomination I was refering to one studying beyond text proofing which is taught by SDA's. I noticed you did not want to answer my first question but that is o-k.
I will be gone a few days and when I get back I would like to continue dialoguing with you if you would like to.
God be with you.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Well I have no problem declaring where I stand, I have a blog and a website
http://newprotestants.com
http://www.cafesda.blogspot.com

So really if you have people who ask you about me the wisest thing to do would be to direct them to those sites. But for your convenience I will use your template and explain my beliefs.

1. God Created the world, though we may not understand the how and when of creation, the complexity of the universe demands a designer.
2. the bible is inspired by God, given providing insights into man and God, it was written by human beings and thus contains errors and misunderstandings are well as scientific and cultural views which are outdated by man's increase in knowledge. it is to be used as a means to increase faith in God and inform man about how they should live and things they should avoid, as such it is a good source for the rule of faith and practice. It has long been the substructure for Western Civilization which has provided valuable service to the world.
3. I believe that Jesus is God. Who appeared in human form to reveal the nature and character of God in the most comprehensible way. Whose life death and resurrection reveal the love of God, His power to forgive even those who tortured and killed Him and who raised Himself from the dead to prove the promise that God offer of life is available even to those who die.
4. I believe God is the only way to salvation. It is not what man knows or does not know but the gift of God that provides salvation. The trust of man is the only work that man can do in regards to salvation. To believe that God can and will save. In other words accepting the gift God offers. Even those who never hear of God or Jesus can be saved according to God's knowledge of those people.
5. I believe Jesus left the earthly incarnation in the first century, as God He is ever present and never limited to any specific location.
6. I believe the Sabbath is a wonderful period in time for man to rest from the exertions of life and recreates however he sees fit. I believe that we as Christians should regularly get together for fellowship with other believers. The concept of rest however is not restricted to one particular day nor should fellowship be restricted.
7. I believe that Historicism has proven to be one of the least likely methods of interpreting prophecy. While it was once the most popular of Christian methods of interpretation due to it's numerous errors it is now a very doubtful use. Apocalyptic literature is written to be vague and can easily be interpreted as different things to different people at different times. Thus the purpose is less likely to tell you what will happen but to provide assurance that even in hard times God has not abandoned people.
8. I do not believe in EGW as a prophet. I do however believe she was a Christian woman who loved God.

thanks RC, my concern lies primarily with the subject of thesitc eveloution and orgin theology. I still believe biblical creationism is valid although not understood by some. I think the SDA chruch still valadates that. I think that there is a place for that discussion in other places on this fourm. kudos for you stright foreward resposne and not taking it personally. It shows that you are mature and secure with yourself. Thanks for that.

 

[gcfrankie]

Thank-you Restin,
I am hoping if we all work together we can get rid of the sarcasm, backbiting, being judgemental, etc. towards each other. The moderators have their hands full trying to read every post (which I am sure is impossible) so why can we not police ourselves and clean up our own act? I would like to see some if not all the good people come back who have left because of bad behavior by some. I think it is time we stand-up to those people and let them know they are out of line and it will not be tolerated and if they keep it up just ignore them and not lower ourselves to their level, they eventually they will give up or leave. I would really like to see this forum be safe for everyone. I would like to see more uplifting of Jesus than having to defend ourselves.

 

[sentipente]

When I said an honest answer I was saying I did not want a circular answer. What I was refering to when I said studying one out of a denomination I was refering to one studying beyond text proofing which is taught by SDA's. I noticed you did not want to answer my first question but that is o-k.

See. It is good that I asked. You meant a straight answer rather than an honest answer. I am sure you see the implication in the latter that I am not usually honest. Regarding your "first" question, it is not up to me to have an opinion about where anyone chooses to fellowship except my children.

 

[reddogs]

I wouldn't think so.

But I disagree with you constantly Senti. Nor do I see you as reflective of Christianity as a whole.

That is one point I would have to agree with you Tall..

 

[StormyOne]

That is one point I would have to agree with you Tall..

Of course Red neither are you... but then you knew that.....

 

[sentipente]

That is one point I would have to agree with you Tall..

Which barrel are you scraping, Reds? No need to get personal. Don't burden the CF moderators.

 

[reddogs]

Which barrel are you scraping, Reds? No need to get personal. Don't burden the CF moderators.

I dont intend that as or mean it in a personal way senti, but I grew up among and associated with many Adventist pastors, and had many Adventist friends that went on to be or were ministerial students at Adventist colleges, and Adventist teachers/professors of theology and never came across any that have the outlook on Christianity that you have.

 

[StormyOne]

I dont think that or mean it in a personal way senti, but I grew up among and associated with many Adventist pastors, and had many Adventist friends that went on to be or were ministerial students at Adentist colleges, and Adventist teachers/professors of theology and never came across any that have the outlook on Christianity that you have.

that doesn't mean that they didn't exist, only that you didn't encounter any...... must be a slow day in other parts of the forum huh Red?