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And if there is supposed to be evidence that can back YEC's beliefs (or mine), why did God say this?

Hebrews 11:3a Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,
God didn't say that. Some guy wrote it.

What is biological evolution? This is science, not a dictionary. There can only be ONE unambiguous definition for one term.
I see your ignorance extends to language. A large part of poetry is dependent on the ambiguity of language. And, depending on circumstances, a word or phrase may mean different things. Thus, if I say "Strike!", I may mean attack, or I may mean "Walk out!", or I might mean "Delete that!". There is ambiguity in every language, and to declare otherwise is simply stupid.
juvenissun said:
I am getting old. Is this a biological evolution? Why not?
Because biological evolution, as has been explained numerous times in these forums, is the change in the frequencies of alleles in an interbreeding population over time.

How did we get our moon?
The short answer is that we don't know for sure. However, the best theory, the best explanation so far, based on the composition and dating of rocks from the moon, is that the moon is the result of a collision that tore part of the Earth away.

Fundamentalists base their world views on some unchangeable idea, written down in a book, and supposedly capable of only one interpretation. Thus it becomes an idol, a graven image. The real "word" is dynamic, it lives it speaks to ever-changing circumstances, it requires work, thought, judgement. A Jewish scholar once told me that idolatry was the worship of something that was not alive. The real "word" is the ever changing universe. It is chaos and order, and from the chaos we can construct order, but some chaos will remain.
We have it in our power to destroy the order and from the chaos build a new order, that leaves less chaotic residue.

And if you ask why, I can only reply, "Ars gratia artis".

Crystal Cabinet
by Julian Huxley


The world of things entered your infant mind
To populate that crystal cabinet.
Within its walls the strangest partners met,
And things turned thoughts did propagate their kind.
For, once within, corporeal fact could find
A spirit. Fact and you in mutual debt
Built there your little microcosm - which yet
Had hugest tasks to its small self assigned.


Dead men can live there, and converse with stars:
Equator speaks with pole, and night with day;
Spirit dissolves the world's material bars -
A million isolations burn away.
The Universe can live and work and plan,
At last made God within the mind of man.


Pearls before swine? I know.




 
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OK the scientific definition of biological evolution is change in allie frequencies in a population over time aka change in the genetic makeup of a population over time.

Nice, simple and measurable.

Dizredux

OK, then here was your question:

I would like to know how to explain antibiotic resistance and the twin nested hierarchy in an evidence based way that does not involve evolution.

Here I am stuck because I am not a geneticist. BUT, I am sure the explanation will NOT need to touch your definition of evolution. In fact, if your definition of evolution is used, then there will be NO explanation.
 
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Originally Posted by MikeCarra
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Perhaps, but it is an accurate one. Perhaps you can point out a few major drilling operations using YEC geology to search for oil and gas?

Dizredux

None of the drilling operation used any principle which violated the idea of YEC, and there is absolutely no need to use any principle of evolution.

Unlike biology which is awkward to me, I said the above with my professional honor. Your challenge is very welcome.
 
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You're absolutely right about one thing -- you are not a geneticist.
 
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We now have seven different models as to how we got our moon from "the Evidence God plainly gave to EVERYONE."
The evidence is there for everyone. It is up to us to evaluate. It is up to us to learn.
It would seem that you have, like Martin Luther, decided to despise the reasoning ability that sets the human species apart from the other animals.
In the eight years you have been posting on this forum, you have learned NOTHING. You buried your talent under a rock.

 
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In the eight years you have been posting on this forum, you have learned NOTHING.
Thank you, sir!

I wish you guys could learn NOTHING as well.

It's from NOTHING the universe came from.

It's called creatio ex nihilo.
 
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Thank you, sir!

I wish you guys could learn NOTHING as well.

It's from NOTHING the universe came from.

It's called creatio ex nihilo.

That would account for your post count. The empty vessel makes the loudest sound, as someone once said.
 
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How did we get our moon?

(We'll see what's "plainly given to EVERYONE," won't we? )

How did we get our moon, Mike?

Most likely by the earth colliding with another object.

How many people visited Jesus' tomb after his resurrection? How many angels were found there?
 
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Not very "enlightened" in your days on earth. Lack of "Revelation" of the Kingdom of God in our midst will do such to a carnal person.

Proposing only the dust exist. A day awaits!

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Most likely by the earth colliding with another object.

How many people visited Jesus' tomb after his resurrection? How many angels were found there?

Lean a little bit on "probably" when you say planetesimals collisions. You have no evidence!
 
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Meanwhile, while only detecting the physical world, you are completely unaware (blind) to the Eternal Beings in our midst, and what they are up to. And you say what Beings!

Yep, missing something so grand - but before us saying you have intellectually arrived.


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Fine. Show us these "hidden" beings.
 
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Lean a little bit on "probably" when you say planetesimals collisions. You have no evidence!

No evidence? Wrong. It may not be sufficient evidence to make the hypothesis more than the leading hypothesis, but it's significantly more than you have for any of your claims.
 
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Lean a little bit on "probably" when you say planetesimals collisions. You have no evidence!



I'm tired of hearing how "plainly" this universe speaks of how God created this universe; especially when there's seven different models as to how we got our moon.
 
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Fine. Show us these "hidden" beings.

Have you not read the parable of the Sower and His Seed? It is for disciples. Are you ready? And you think having winning the lottery money in hand would be life changing! In this life the worth of having the "hidden" disclosed is incalculable in worth.


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