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The Bible is the Word of God.

You're not Christian if you don't believe the Word of God
Bibliolatry, figures. Depends on what you mean by the "word of God". I believe the books are inspired by God but he sure didn't write them down himself, and the writers had some freedom in what to put down. Also your going against forum rules in telling someone who identifies as christian as not being a true believer.
 
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Bibliolatry, figures. Depends on what you mean by the "word of God". I believe the books are inspired by God but he sure didn't write them down himself, and the writers had some freedom in what to put down. Also your going against forum rules in telling someone who identifies as christian as not being a true believer.

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." - Titus 1:16
 
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The Bible is the Word of God.

You're not Christian if you don't believe the Word of God

Max,That's against the rules...
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I am skipping lots of posts here to address the OP.

First, if the Earth is flat, how did people go around the Earth? If it is flat there is an edge out there, no? How come no one has found an edge?

Two, how do you explain the difference in seasons from the north and the south? The tilt of a sphere explains it well.

Three, how do you explain satellites? The move like they are going around a sphere.

Four, if the Earth is flat, why are the other planets spheres?

Edit: Five, time zones.

If you can answer these questions, we might have something to talk about. But I bet you haven't thought about these facts much.

As for your request, here is a nice video showing the curvature of the Earth from the ISS (which is orbiting the Earth and not in firmament).


Edit: and here is a whole slue of pics for you. http://planetary.org/explore/space-...cecraft.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/
 
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Here is proof.

If we moving at a gradual rate around the sun, why does the sun stay still for the many hours and its in the sky, and then suddenly set or rise within a matter of minutes?

its not a gradual rate.

The sun moves around us, inside the firmament.
At the equator, with the sun song perpendicular to the horizon, sunset takes about 2 minutes. The angular size of the sun is 0.5 degrees. .5/2*1440 (minutes in a day) =360 degrees. The sun sets at exactly the same speed it moves through the sky.
 
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Here is a model I made in Cinema 4d:

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Its shows the major continents in the center, and Antarctica in the outer circle, with the sun and moon inside the firmament, following 2 seperate but similar paths.
If that model were accurate, you should be able to see the north star from everywhere on earth. Please show me a photo of the north star taken from south of the equator.
 
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You can actually see hurricane joaquin in that one

edit, not that one, hold on
That's wild. Have you ever checked out pictures of volcanoes from space? I'd have like to see what Mount St. Hellenes looked like when it erupted, from space or Krakatoa looked like, but that was way back before that was even possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa

The final explosive eruption was heard 4,830 km (3,000 miles) away; caused at least 36,417 deaths; 20 million tons of sulfur released into the atmosphere; produced a volcanic winter(reducing worldwide temperatures by an average of 1.2°C for 5 years); and was the loudest explosion in recorded history.

Check out the diagram on what the explosion took away.
 
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All you have is a photo from NASA. That is your "evidence".

There is a massive appeal to authority going on here. You are all trusting a free masonic organization based on a photos, CGI, and ridiculous nonsense math (theoritical garbage) that has nothing to do with reality.

Show me a quantum in reality.
 
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Find a Photo of the Earth and post the link.

You can't.

Because there are no photos of something that doesn't exist.

We are living inside a firmament/dome, and the earth is flat and stationary exactly as the bible describes.

pretty deep.

I suggest a reading a post on quantum physics from a past post:

"I believe we will inhabit different dimensions when we are glorified. 26 dimensions I believe exist currently. WE only inhabit four. Height, width, length and time. The fifth or more dimensions are unknown to us. I believe if you are above teh fifth dimension you are over and not subject to any of the previous dimensions. I shouldn't say that, that is wrong. It's the oposite. rather someone living in a two dimensional universe, somone in a three dimensional universe can navigate more dimensions and interact at any point on a two dimensional universe."

God living in greater than four dimensions, can navigate time at any point in the past or in the future.

thats my view. Here is a film about 2 and 3 dimensional properties (to be more direct on your post)


but we don't live in a three or two dimensional universe so to say it's sphere is even un scientific.

so are you as unscientific as the Bible here?

for one, the Bible says a circle.

and that is not a sphere, but a sphere is not right either.

with time involved, that is a rotating earth,

it is a 4D object.

Width,

breadth,

highth,

and time.

so the Bible as well as you make the same mistake which is not a mistake,

but a viewpoint....

that namely, the Bible was not not a science textbook and neither are your writings a science textbook.

we write for different audiences, and 99.9999 % of the time it's not toward quantum physicists.

but a very thought provoking thread, and cheers on that.

I often look at pictures of evolutionary skeletons as fakes, as many times they are buttered up with picture editors.

so I know what you mean.

but the earth is 3 dimensional, physically speaking.

and 4 dimensional quantum physically speaking.

so taking a picture of that is not easy.

rather impossible.

so, I say it's a very good challenge indeed.

(update: I suppose one could take a video of a rotating earth to capture the 4D)
 
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Does the bible not say that Satan runs ALL of the kingdoms on earth?

Does the bible not say that Satan is the capstone (look at your dollar bill) and Jesus is the corner stone of this world?

Is Satan divided in his own house? No, he runs ALL of the kingdoms.

All of the space agencies are the same.
And the cold war was a farce.

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Does the bible not say that Satan runs ALL of the kingdoms on earth?

Does the bible not say that Satan is the capstone (look at your dollar bill) and Jesus is the corner stone of this world?

Is Satan divided in his own house? No, he runs ALL of the kingdoms.

All of the space agencies are the same.
We were always not at war with Eurasia?
 
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