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There are no stars
There is no atmosphere
There is a reflection/highlight in the middle of the Earth.
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I'm not sure I agree with you , Max R. Yu claim that God put these ideas into your head before you went to church. Well, ho do you know that? I'm more inclined to think your views on Genesis were subliminally picked u by you via the pervasive assumption of many Christians that Genesis is a true creation account. Another point is that while I believe in God, I hold the Genesis account is false and consists of two conflicting accounts. Again, I think you are going more on religious prejudice than God.
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smaneck
Baha'i
Awesome pictures!
Here are a couple, showing not only the curvature of the earth, but also stars and sunlight reflecting off of dust in the upper atmosphere (that's the thin luminous line). The space station is on the "dayside" of earth, which is why the dust reflects so well.
Showing Sicily and the "boot" of Italy.
Showing Egypt. The bright area is the cities along the Nile river and Nile Delta.
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smaneck
Baha'i
Not the way i read scripture as a Baha'i. In the 19th century there was an interesting dialogue between a Baha'i scholar by the name of Mirza Abu'l-Fadl and the head of the Ahmadi Muslim sect. Mirza Abu'l-Fadl. The third caliph of the Ahmadiyyas had asked Mirza Abu'l-Fadl whether the story of Noah living 950 years as stated in the Qur'an is to be taken literally or if it has another meaning. Mirza Abu'l-Fadl gives a rather complicated response. He points out that the story of Noah in the Qur'an is based on the Biblical story (something Muslims generally would not like to admit.)
Mirza Abu'l-Fadl then turns his attention to examining the nature of the Bible. He points out that while parts of the Bible are clearly
records of God's revelation (for instance the parts which begin "Thus speaketh the Lord") there are other parts which are historical
accounts and other material which make no claims to being revealed. He points out that when we consider the historicity of the biblical
accounts we must also compare them with other histories. In this context, he points out that the ancient histories of places like China
or India have no account of the flood. He even goes so far as to point out that Egyptian history does not substantiate the story of Moses or
the drowning of Pharoah's army in the Red Sea.
However, that somewhat begs the questions because these stories are found in the Qur'an all of which is regarded as revelation. And here
is where Mirza Abu'l-Fadl lays down a principle which I think is essential to understanding the proper relationship between religion
and science:
"The Prophet Muhammad said, "We, the concourse of Prophets, were commanded to address the people according to the capacity of their
minds," and, likewise, "Speak to the people of that with which they are familiar. Do you wish God and His Messenger to be accused of
lying?" Thus was it related by the learned judge Muhammad ibn Ahmad Rushd al-Andalusí [Averroes] "It is well known that the Prophets and
Manifestations of the Cause of God were sent to guide the nations, to refine their characters, and to bring the people nearer to their
Source and Ultimate Goal. They were not sent as historians, astronomers, philosophers, or natural scientists the Prophets indulged
the people in regard to their historical notions, folk stories, and scientific principles and spoke to them according to these. They conversed with them as was appropriate to their audience and hid realities behind the curtain of allusion." (Miracles and Metaphors p. 39)"It has, then, been established that the historian cannot depend for historical knowledge upon the outward meanings of Qur'anic verses and that Noah and his like are not mentioned in the rest of the ancient histories." (p. 40)
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