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That's neat, never heard that before. I agree with you.Your right on the money!
-Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
-Act 19:24 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;
Act 19:25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.
Act 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:
Act 19:27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.
Diana{Isis},who's son restores the kingdom of Nimrod{Babylon}. Interesting enough, the only perfume that Diana ever put on the market was named {Isis}.
GOD used Queen Elizabeth's printer to bring the world the Bible{KJV},and it looks like Satan will use Queen Elizabeth's grandson to bring the world his anti-Christ.
God allows Satan to have the keys to the pit for a short while. Read Rev. 9.1,2.your scenario is a concoction of pure imagination...........you have dead people being resurrected and at the same time inhabiting (possession) other peoples' bodies..................after men die there is only one that has power of resurrection and it certainly isn't satan.................
The 1st beast is a person as is the 2nd person. The only two people called sons of perdition in the Bible were Nero and Judas. There is of course the political beast who is the revived Roman empire and religious Rome which is the Roman Church. She is the great harlot that sits on the beast of nations. Don't make these things mutually exclusive. Big mistake on your part.your first mistake was identifying the beast as a person when scripture had already made clear what the symbol of the beast is.................ie..............a world ruling empire................it's first made clear by Nebuchadnezzar's dream then Daniel's dreams and visions
There is the 1st beast (Antichrist), 2nd beast (Falsle Prophet), and the 7 headed beast the revived Roman Empire. Religious Rome will be destroyed in the 1st half of the Trib, and the 7 headed beast in the 2nd half.Daniel tells Nebuchadnezzar what the image means, each of it's metal parts represents kingdoms then Daniel is told that the beasts represent the same thing in his dreams and visions...............
I agree.in both Nebuchadnezzar's dream and Daniels dreams and visions it's shown that the last of these world ruling empires would exist right up to the time of Christ's return, both showing that Christ destroys this final revival of the last of the kingdoms......which is obviously the Roman Empire.................
Yes.now to top that all off John again is shown Daniel's beasts conglomerated into one Beast since the Roman empire is the only one that existed before John and during his time and it would rise back up in the future end time and Christ would destroy it
Yes. And the Antichrist of all antichrists is Neron Kaiser (666 in Aramaic) who is the 1st beast who can't be killed in the Tribulation, because we are appointed once to die. And Judas resurrected is the False Prophet who also can't die for the same reason as both are resurrected.in a sense John is taught what Daniel was already taught hundreds of years earlier...........the obvious difference being that Revelation is much more detailed and this prophecy is not sealed up as far as being able to understand it as Daniels prophecy was
All is proven.you're not even identifying who is who and what is what according to scripture....................again yours is an exercise in speculation and conjecture
God lets Satan take some demons and the Antichrist and False Prophet out of the bad side of Hades and the pit. Remember Michael and the angels defeat Satan in 2nd heaven and cast him down to earth in Rev. 12. Rev. chapters 12 to 19 gives details of the major points of the Tribulation from Rev. chapters 7-11.personally speaking I think the suggestion of satan having powers to resurrect to life is blasphemous against Christ since he is the only one to get the victory over death and the grave
Thanks for that.I mean...if this isn't a dead give away. Look what their singing during Prince William's Wedding. Psalm 122! on the exact same day{Hitler}was married on April 29th. They are the true German{Assyrian} Nazi's who put Hitler into power. Their original German name was: The House Of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha . But changed it to the: House Of Windsor in the early 1900's.
"TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE
JAMES,
BY THE GRACE OF GOD
KING OF GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND IRELAND, DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, &C.,/P
The Translators of the Bible wish Grace, Mercy and Peace, through JESUS CHRIST, our Lord."
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GREAT and manifold were the blessings, most dread Sovereign, which Almighty God, the Father of all mercies, bestowed upon us the people of England, when first he sent Your Majesty's Royal Person to rule and reign over us. For whereas it was the expectation of many, who wished not well unto our Sion, that upon the setting of that bright Occidental Star, Queen
Elizabeth".
Now you can see where satanic political Zionism began.
Psa 122:1 A Song of degrees of David. I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the LORD.
Psa 122:2 Our feet shall stand within thy gates, O Jerusalem.
Psa 122:3 Jerusalem is builded as a city that is compact together:
Psa 122:4 Whither the tribes go up, the tribes of the LORD, unto the testimony of Israel, to give thanks unto the name of the LORD.
Psa 122:5 For there are set thrones of judgment, the thrones of the house of David.
Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
Psa 122:7 Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces.
Psa 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.
Psa 122:9 Because of the house of the LORD our God I will seek thy good.
The Inspirational Masonic and Satanic Music at the Royal Wedding 29.4.2011. - YouTube
Whenever you see the number 1260. Daniel's final seven is 2,520 days like all the other sevens, and it is the smallest number divisible by 2 to 10.
1260 days is the same thing as 42 thirty day months or time, times and half a time.1260 days is a different wording for forty and two months, or a time, times and half a time...........simply an amount of time that equals 3.5 years in total..............
3.5 years in total for certain events to transpire..............there's absolutely nothing in scripture that isolates 1260 as meaning a second half to any event of prophecy.................and certainly not pin-pointing to a second half of an imaginary 7 year tribulation
not one answer you've given so far can be supported by any scripture, doesn't that even give you a hint to the validity of your premise ?
Sounds like a planWill Jesus return within 75 years from when Israel became a nation (by 2023 at the latest)?
Yes
What day does Jesus step down on the mount of olives?
Jesus would step down on the 2,520th day which would be Aug. 7, 2022.
I think so, but threescore + ten = 70 years, where do you get 75?Will Jesus return within 75 years from when Israel became a nation (by 2023 at the latest
2018 would be within a generation from 1948, but Mattew 24 prophecy does not tell us that Jesus meant an exact generation, which means it could be over before that year. I personally think the Great Tribulation period will begin within a year, all signs point to it. Just watch what is going on in Israel. There will be a war there soon which will ignite a worldwind of events.
The great earthquake in Rev.6:12 is the same one in Rev. 16:18 and that hasn't happened yet. It is a worldwide earthquake causing all tall buildings to fall, mountains and islands to collapse as well. What could cause that? Super volcanic eruption or asteroid. There is an asteroid scheduled for Feb 15, 2013 and they say it will miss but maybe not.Can we narrow down the time of the Tribulation and when Jesus returns? Yes,
How do we get even more exact for the time the Tribulation starts?
You are getting caught and consummed by numbers. I'm excited too, but no need to know the e x a c t day, we know the season though -- it's ripe. Btw, the trumpets are the last warnings, so we will have to endure the first six; which means we will know when devastation begins.
Ps. 90.10 says 70 to 80 so 75. 2022 is 75 years from 1948. Jesus can't return 2018 because that would mean the Tribulation started last year, and obviously it did not because there was no first rapture "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) according to readiness (Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10).I think so, but threescore + ten = 70 years, where do you get 75?
2018 would be within a generation from 1948, but Mattew 24 prophecy does not tell us that Jesus meant an exact generation, which means it could be over before that year. I personally think the Great Tribulation period will begin within a year, all signs point to it. Just watch what is going on in Israel. There will be a war there soon which will ignite a worldwind of events.
Rev. 16.18 occurs at the end of the Tribulation. Rev. 6.12 earthquake occurs before the Tribulation starts, since the Tribulation starts with the first rapture before the throne and before the 1st trumpet (8.7).The great earthquake in Rev.6:12 is the same one in Rev. 16:18 and that hasn't happened yet. It is a worldwide earthquake causing all tall buildings to fall, mountains and islands to collapse as well. What could cause that? Super volcanic eruption or asteroid. There is an asteroid scheduled for Feb 15, 2013 and they say it will miss but maybe not.
The numbers don't lie. There are 2,520 (1260th) days from Feast of Trumpets to Tisha B'Av and in other years 2,550 (1290th) days from Feast of Trumpets to Day of Atonement. Why for you are you against God doing this?You are getting caught and consummed by numbers. I'm excited too, but no need to know the e x a c t day, we know the season though -- it's ripe. Btw, the trumpets are the last warnings, so we will have to endure the first six; which means we will know when devastation begins.
The GT is 3 1/2 years not 7. 1260 days, 1290 days or 1335 days, which ever one you pick it is not 7 years. The 7 year theme comes from the popular Pre-Trib view of which many favor, based on the 70th week of Daniel which was a Messianic prophecy that introduced the arrival of Jesus. He was cut off in the middle of the 70th week and that was that.Ps. 90.10 says 70 to 80 so 75. 2022 is 75 years from 1948. Jesus can't return 2018 because that would mean the Tribulation started last year,
A Pre-Trib view ... hopeful at best . Last trumpet means last trumpet. In a series of trumpet sounds, that would be #7. Sorry to disagree.The Great Tribulation is 3 1/2 years after the Tribulation starts so it can't start until 3 1/2 years after the first rapture.
The book of Revelation is not in chronological order. It is presented as a sphere of events that are accummulative, overlap and go back and forth in time to show different vantage points. The scroll with 7 seals was already opened 1980 years ago when Jesus arrived in heaven. If it wasn't opened, how would John have seen the contents. Think of it as a play that was written; Act 1 starts when the trumpets start to blow.Rev. 16.18 occurs at the end of the Tribulation. Rev. 6.12 earthquake occurs before the Tribulation starts,
"Blow a trumpet in Zion,
And sound an alarm on My holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble,
For the day of the Lord is coming;
Surely it is near". Joel 2:1
Maybe not an asteroid but something like a huge mountain on fire is thrown into the sea creating massive tsunamis affecting 1/3 of the planet, destroying ships and igniting 1/3 of the planet on fire. The wormwood that poisons underground aquafers has already begun in Japan and after such a worldwide earthquake, many nuclear plants will suffer the same damage. Revelation 8 describes these things in the trumpets.Asteroids play no role in end-times. It's all about the great earthquake, solar and lunar eclipse, battle over oil and nuclear exchange.
It seems of have a numerology of sorts adapted to scriptures. Many people have tried to "date set" in the past and have been wrong -- all of them. But you have it right? You are spending a lot of time for what reason? Isn't knowing the season enough ... our generation?The numbers don't lie.
As you see it --watch yourself claiming God gives any date since Jesus did say no one knows the day or the hour ...God actually gives us the day, 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.
The wrath begins in the 7 bowls of wrath in the full poured out at the sound of the 7th trumpet at which time we are raptured, sorry to burst your bubble -- but it's quite a big bubble you've created! When the trumpets blow and you are still here, then you will know that the Pre-Trib view is wrong. But it looks like you won't be convinced until then. Don't worry, you'll recalibrate your numbers quickly and make the corrections.You can know when the wrath begins
During this day the 3rd Temple ...
There's no need of a third temple. The Temple was made obsolete by Jesus when he died on the cross. The veil was torn and then at Pentecost, we became the Temple of the Holy Spirit. It would be a contradiction for God to require another temple for that reason ... or more sacrifices. That would actually be an insult to Christ who abolished the Old sacrificial system. This is also a Pre-Trib teaching; the 70th week, abomination of desolation, bla, bla, bla has already occurred. A Peace Treaty, yes but in the first 3 1/2 years, there's peace -- that's what the antichrist brakes, then the GT starts. However, the two witnesses do create some natural havic, famines and such, this may not be a peacful time yet concerning war against Israel, it's restrained during this time.
.The long H3 won't occur till 2172
But H2 Hummers are wide right? The H3's aren't coming out til 2172? Ah shucks.
I never said the GT is 7 years. The GT is 3 1/2 years and the Tribulation is 7 years. The GT starts with Rev. 9.1 and comprises the 3 woes. Before the 3 woes are the 4 trumpets in Rev. 8 which are also 1260 days for a total of 2,520 days for all 7 trumpets of the Tribulation--Daniel's final seven. Jesus was cut off after the 69th seven, not in the 70th seven. Jesus is not the prince of the Romans. Jesus only ministered 3 years. Jesus does not make desolate. Since the declaration to rebuild the Temple to the time Jesus was cut off is after 173,880 days this brings us to March 28, 33 AD. Jesus died on the cross April 1, 33 AD (Gregorian). How silly the second half of the 69th seven would overlap the first half of the 70th seven. That is totally inconsistent with all the sevens which were consecutive. Dan. 9.26 is the Temple destroyed in 70 AD, so it wouldn't make much sense then Jesus died on the cross after the 70 AD in Dan. 9.27. You're ass backwards. Therefore, Dan. 9.27 is about the peace accord for 7 years in which Antichrist breaks it replacing the sacrifices to copy what Jesus already did nearly 2000 years ago. Not sure why this would necessitate a pre-trib or post-trib view. You don't say.The GT is 3 1/2 years not 7. 1260 days, 1290 days or 1335 days, which ever one you pick it is not 7 years. The 7 year theme comes from the popular Pre-Trib view of which many favor, based on the 70th week of Daniel which was a Messianic prophecy that introduced the arrival of Jesus. He was cut off in the middle of the 70th week and that was that.
I believe the last trumpet is the 7th trumpet. The Tribulation starts with the 1st trumpet (Rev. 8.7).A Pre-Trib view ... hopeful at best . Last trumpet means last trumpet. In a series of trumpet sounds, that would be #7. Sorry to disagree.
I believe the 6 Seals are the past 20 centuries. The 1st Seal is the cross in which we see what would be a bow and arrow that looks like a cross but the arrow has been shot giving Satan a deadly wound. I believe Jesus opened the little book in Revelation 5 and the Seals began to be broken open. Since the Seals are the past 20 centuries, the 7th Seal opens up the 7 Trumpets of the Tribulation and the 7th Trumpet pours out the 7 Bowls of Wrath. Think of it like a lock tumbler, not a constant repeating of what was already said. Rev. 7 to 11 are the major points of the Tribulation's 7 years; Rev. 12 to 19 are the details and take a look at different aspects of the Tribulation. The Seals are opened in secret these past 2000 years in this mystery age of the Church. Trumpets are loud like the Tribulation and the last 24 months of the Tribulation is the 7th Trumpet contain the Bowls of Wrath. They are bigger than cups and poured silently because so much is happening so fast in the last 24 months.The book of Revelation is not in chronological order. It is presented as a sphere of events that are accummulative, overlap and go back and forth in time to show different vantage points. The scroll with 7 seals was already opened 1980 years ago when Jesus arrived in heaven. If it wasn't opened, how would John have seen the contents. Think of it as a play that was written; Act 1 starts when the trumpets start to blow.
"Blow a trumpet in Zion,
And sound an alarm on My holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble,
For the day of the Lord is coming;
Surely it is near". Joel 2:1
This is rather the Vatican being nuked in agreement with Revelation 17.16. There is no massive tsunami hitting 1/3 of the planet. In the first half of the Tribulation religious Rome is destroyed (Rev. 17); in the 2nd half of the Trib political Rome is destroyed (Rev. 18).Something like a huge mountain on fire is thrown into the sea creating massive tsunamis affecting 1/3 of the planet, destroying ships and igniting 1/3 of the planet on fire. The wormwood that poisons underground aquafers has already begun in Japan and after such a worldwide earthquake, many nuclear plants will suffer the same damage. Revelation 8 describes these things in the trumpets.
"These shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire" (Rev. 17.16). First half the nuke of the Vatican! "Great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" (Rev. 8.8). This is the Vatican in Rome being blown up and cast into the sea; the city on 7 hills.
"There fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" (Rev. 8.10). This is that nuclear missile heading toward the Vatican leaving just one man left to be the Pope, the 666th Pope by Roman Numerals, Peter of Rome.
I am glad you can't show any numerology. I don't use numerology. God gave the date. Jesus said you can "know" even "right at the door" (Matt. 24.33). How much more clear can Jesus be? You accuse Him of numerology. Everyone was wrong before because they didn't believe in partial rapture in which Rev. 6.12 (Haiti 2010/Japan 2011, long H3 Nov. 3, 2013, Tetrad 2014/15) occurs before the Tribulation starts. And the Tribulation's seven years can't extend past 2023 because that would be more than a lifetime (Ps. 90.10). But there are 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022 so that is the 7 years just as the last two feast Tetrads occurred when Israel became a nation and entered Jerusalem. These things are quite simple, hardly taking much time at all. Why would you need to spend so much time on this? Unless you are confused.It seems of have a numerology of sorts adapted to scriptures. Many people have tried to date set in the past and have been wrong -- all of them. But you have it right? You are spending a lot of time for what reason? Isn't knowing the season enough ... our generation?
As you see it --watch yourself claiming God gives any date since Jesus did say no one knows the day or the hour ...
Jesus said nobody knows the day or hour of the end of the world, but Jesus returns 1000 years before the end of the world. Read Matt. 24.35-36.
The wrath (Tribulation) begins right after the 6th Seal (Rev. 6.17). As we get into the 7 years the intensity increases, hence, the bowls of wrath in the last 24 months. The first rapture is according to readiness (Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10) "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven before the 1st trumpet of the Trib (8.7). The general rapture and resurrection starts at the top of the 7th trumpet (11.15, 14.14-16, 1 Thess. 4.14-18) then the bowls of wrath are poured out in the 7th Trumpet. Sorry to burst your bubble but you won't be returning with Christ to reign during the 1000 years because you accuse the brethren day and night who will be first raptured according to readiness. There are advanced parties and harbingers in every sphere. When it is all throughout the news Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets there will be two possibilities. The reason you accuse them is because you are a carnal Christian who will lose rewards OR it is because you are a false Christian. I favor the latter given what you said next.The wrath begins in the 7 bowls of wrath in the full poured out at the sound of the 7th trumpet at which time we are raptured, sorry to burst your bubble -- it's quite a big bubble you've created! When the trumpets blow and you are still here, then you will know that the Pre-Trib view is wrong. But it looks like you won't be convinced until then. Don't worry, you'll recalibrate your numbers quickly and make the corrections.
The 3rd Temple is needed because Jesus returns to reign in the 3rd Temple for 1000 years before transitioning to the New City with His people. Our bodies were always the temple. The veil was torn so the Holy Spirit would indwell the Temple. When Jesus reigns on earth He must do so from somewhere, from the land of Israel and the 3rd Temple. The Antichrist will be in the Temple (2 Thess. 2.4) during the Great Trib, but this time the Temple won't be destroyed (Rev. 11.2). Jesus doesn't want Israel to sacrifice animals, but He does want to reign in His Temple with a "rod of iron". I suspect since you deny the existence of the Antichrist you will accept him as Jesus when he comes on the scene. You already do by how you read Dan. 9.27 who is the Antichrist that you say is Jesus.There's no need of a third temple.The Temple was made obsolete by Jesus when he died on the cross. The veil was torn and then at Pentecost, we became the Temple of the Holy Spirit. It would be a contradiction for God to require another temple for that reason ... or more sacrifices. That would actually be an insult to Christ who abolished the Old sacrificial system. This is also a Pre-Trib teaching; the 70th week, abomination of desolation, bla, bla, bla has already occurred. A Peace Treaty, yes but in the first 3 1/2 years, -- that's what the antichrist brakes, then the GT starts. However, the two witnesses do create some natural havic, famines and such, this may not be a peacful time yet concerning war against Israel, it's restrained during this time.
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But H2 Hummers are wide right? The H3's aren't coming out til 2172? Ah shucks.
The Two Witnesses are Enoch and Elijah the only two persons to have never died but were raptured alive. We are appointed once to die; they shall die during the Great Trib.
So it's dividied into a mild/small tribulation and a great one?I never said the GT is 7 years. The GT is 3 1/2 years and the Tribulation is 7 years.
It starts with the Trumpet #1.The GT starts with Rev. 9.1 and comprises the 3 woes.
After means, not during the 69th, but during the following which is the 70th.Jesus was cut off after the 69th seven
Rather then going tit for tat with you, I'll give you my blog to check out my summation, similar to what I wrote in my book, "Hell ... If I Know"
Part 1 http://www.christianforums.com/blogs/u78965-e74340/
Part 2 http://www.christianforums.com/blogs/u78965-e74341/
You seem very convinced of your calculations and view, that's fine. But know this, there are mysteries contained in the book of Revelation that God will reveal to us in time. I believe we have been given insight in our generation more than any other because it wasn't necessary for others to know. Revelation cannot be understood in a chronological way, it won't work and this is primarily why there is confusion and a half dozen views. WE KNOW IN PART AND NOT YET FULLY. So at least be open and realized you may be wrong. I don't believe Hell is eternal, but I may be wrong. I'm OK with that. I actually prefer and hope that the Pre-Trib view is right. I'm a Mid-Trib or Pre-Wrath adherant. God Bless, Ron
Troy's back.
Who is Troy?
God allows Satan to have the keys to the pit for a short while. Read Rev. 9.1,2.
The 1st beast is a person as is the 2nd person. The only two people called sons of perdition in the Bible were Nero and Judas. There is of course the political beast who is the revived Roman empire and religious Rome which is the Roman Church. She is the great harlot that sits on the beast of nations. Don't make these things mutually exclusive. Big mistake on your part.
I would prefer to say the intensity increases through the 7 years. It is one Tribulation. The Tribulation is 2,520 days. "The great day of his wrath is come" (Rev. 6.17); at th end are Bowls of Wrath. These 7 years are Daniel's 70th seven. The first half are the 4 trumpets in which religious Rome is destroyed by a nuclear bomb blowing up the Vatican and the earth is greatly hurt (Rev. 8; 17.16).So it's dividied into a mild/small tribulation and a great one?
No. The first trumpet is not the first woe. The first woe is the 5th trumpet. The first four trumpets are Rev. 8. Then follows the last 3 trumpets or 3 woes. The 3 woes comprise the Great Tribulation.It starts with the Trumpet #1.
Throw your links in the garbage. I know from the declaration to rebuld the Temple Nisan 1, 444 BC (Neh. 2.1) would be seven sets of seven (Dan. 9.25) in troublous times; then another sixty-two sets of seven after which time the Messiah would be cut off (Dan. 9.26). There was exactly 69 sets of seven or 173,880 days from Nisan 1, 444 BC to March 28, 33 AD (Gregorian), the 1st day of the 4 day inspection of the lamb. The 4 days of inspection were March 28, 29, 30, 31. Jesus died on the cross April 1, 33 AD, Nisan 14, Passover, April Fool's Day. This is a 100% certainty. There was a lunar eclipse the day Jesus died on the cross. This also works out that the 40th day is a Thursday for the ascension, and the Bible says Pentecost was on a Sunday, so that works out too, which is the 50th day from the resurrection Sunday. It is all confirmed. Don't let anyone ever sway you from this proof.Rather then going tit for tat with you, I'll give you my blog to check out my summation, similar to what I wrote in my book, "Hell ... If I Know"
Part 1 http://www.christianforums.com/blogs/u78965-e74340/
Part 2 http://www.christianforums.com/blogs/u78965-e74341/
The reason why there is confusion is because you don't treat the book of Revelation chronologically. Thus, people mix and match anything in any sort of combination. It's riduculous. Listen to my words careful. Rev. 2 & 3 are the 7 church periods. The last 4 still remain with us today. There is no more Ephesus "first love"; no more Smyrna sent to the lions; no more Pergamum "high tower" of Constantine and the Church married; but the Thyatira Roman Church remains; Sardis "weak revivals"; Philadelphia brother love brethren movement of 1828; and today's Laodicean of "differing opinions".You seem very convinced of your calculations and view, that's fine. But know this, there are mysteries contained in the book of Revelation that God will reveal to us in time. I believe we have been given insight in our generation more than any other because it wasn't necessary for others to know. Revelation cannot be understood in a chronological way, it won't work and this is primarily why there is confusion and a half dozen views. WE KNOW IN PART AND NOT YET FULLY. So at least be open and realized you may be wrong. I don't believe Hell is eternal, but I may be wrong. I'm OK with that. I actually prefer and hope that the Pre-Trib view is right. I'm a Mid-Trib or Pre-Wrath adherant. God Bless, Ron
[FONT=FPAGAO+TimesNewRoman]The three and a half years mentioned at various places in the book of Revelation begin and end at the same time. Chapters 11.2-3, 12.6-14, and 13.5 are all simultaneous. The casting down of the star happens at the fifth trumpet, which in turn marks the beginning of the 42 months (the Great Tribulation). [/FONT]REVELATION 9
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
you really have to have a vivid imagination and you have to really use suggestive reading if you see God giving satan the powers of resurrection from death in these verses................the first clue is that these verses refer to the BOTTOMLESS PIT..............a grave is not a bottomless pit........and in scripture is never referred to as a bottomless pit...............
once again scripture identifies the symbol of a beast as a world ruling empire, not an individual and certainly not any particular individual.....................also the term "son of perdition" is NOT reserved to any particular individual
Revelation speaks of the beast with its 7 heads as a ruling power, but that is not mutually exclusive of the 1st beast who is the Antichrist and the 2nd beast who is the False Prophet.KJV Dictionary Definition: perdition
perdition
PERDI'TION, n. L. perditio, from perdo, to lose, to ruin.
1. Entire loss or ruin; utter destruction; as the perdition of the Turkish fleet.
In this sense, the word is now nearly or wholly obsolete.
2. The utter loss of the soul or of final happiness in a future state; future misery or eternal death. The impenitent sinner is condemned to final perdition.
If we reject the truth, we seal our own perdition.
3. Loss. Not used.
according to the definition anyone who rejects salvation through Christ becomes a son of perdition.............you're changing the definition to identify two men only.................
you're the one trying to keep certain definitions limited (exclusive) to only one meaning................the one that fits your premise............nice to have that kind of license using the english language I suppose, when a word doesn't fit into my personal defintion according to my views I'll just change it's definition.......................that's what you're doing
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