Censorship is out of control

NightEternal · Feb 26, 2008

I never said she was SDA.

Why was it locked? The official reason given will be it's because the report thread was being discussed.

I say it is just more crushing out of free speech.

If I am going to be banned for another month, my friends in here are going to know the real story behind it.

RND · Feb 26, 2008

NightEternal said:
I never said she was SDA.

Never said you did, I was just pointing it out.

Why was it locked? The official reason given will be it's because the report thread was being discussed.

I say it is just more crushing out of free speech.

If I am going to be banned for another month, my friends in here are going to know the real story behind it.

Do the rules of CF allow you to discuss things they don't want you to discuss?

NightEternal · Feb 26, 2008

Totalitarian regime.

RND · Feb 26, 2008

NightEternal said:
Totalitarian regime.

When you joined the forum did you affirm that you would abide by their rules?

Adventist Dissident · Feb 26, 2008

sombody please post the rules. It is so frustrating that you guys complaing about everything and don't have the correct info or do anything about.

stop complaining, you voted these people in vote them out.

NightEternal · Feb 26, 2008

And replace them with who?

Ice, take a chill pill man! What is the matter with you?

NightEternal · Feb 26, 2008

RND said:
When you joined the forum did you affirm that you would abide by their rules?

People change thier minds. Rules can be changed. There is no law that says change cannot happen.

There is a sad lack of transparency with this forum. All preventing people from discussing reports here does is cause more distrust with the mods and with the system. And this anonymous, privacy, secrecy stuff with reports and reporting is B.S. and breeds paranoia.

It needs to change.

RND · Feb 26, 2008

NightEternal said:
People change thier minds. Rules can be changed. There is no law that says change cannot happen.

There is a sad lack of transparency with this forum. All preventing people from discussing reports here does is cause more distrust with the mods and with the system. And this anonymous, privacy, secrecy stuff with reports and reporting is B.S. and breeds paranoia.

It needs to change.

That may be, but as with anything, there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Apparently, denegrating threads and posts in the open forum isn't the way to go. There seems to be specific ways to handle certain things in the CF forums in a civil and fair manner.

At least that's how I see it.

NightEternal · Feb 26, 2008

Well then, I hope someone with more people skills and finesse will step up and rally this change. Because as it stands now, I am not going to be here long it looks like.

I have done nothing but bring the issues to the forefront of everyone's attention, my ban will be worth it.

Sophia7 · Feb 26, 2008

icedragon101 said:
stop complaining, you voted these people in vote them out.

Mods can't be voted out. Members no longer elect mods or recall them. Those days are over at CF.

Sophia7 · Feb 26, 2008

NightEternal said:
People change thier minds. Rules can be changed. There is no law that says change cannot happen.

There is a sad lack of transparency with this forum. All preventing people from discussing reports here does is cause more distrust with the mods and with the system. And this anonymous, privacy, secrecy stuff with reports and reporting is B.S. and breeds paranoia.

It needs to change.

It's not just this forum. The privacy rules cover all of CF. That can't be changed just for one sub-forum.

Sophia7 · Feb 26, 2008

NightEternal said:
Well then, I hope someone with more people skills and finesse will step up and rally this change. Because as it stands now, I am not going to be here long it looks like.

I have done nothing but bring the issues to the forefront of everyone's attention, my ban will be worth it.

Most major changes at CF now are under the control of the site owner, LeeD, and his advisors, mnphysicist and constance.

FreeinChrist · Feb 26, 2008

I have to admit that I am rather flabbergasted at some of the posts I have seen from some who are Traditional and some who are Progressive.

Paul wrote this:
Eph 4:29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such {a word} as is good for edification according to the need {of the moment,} so that it will give grace to those who hear. Eph 4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

It seems that some posts are made to get that little zinger in against a person that the writer is angry with. Some are written and surely the writer MUST know it will not be received well.

The site wide rules contain the following:

Flaming, baiting, trolling, or feeding trolls is not allowed. This also applies to groups. In other words, play nice, don't hurt others, nor call them names.
If you think you are being flamed, choose *not* to be offended, but instead take a break, and communicate, rather than escalating or accusing others.
Use the brain God gave you. Think before you post. Think about how your post may affect someone else.

Some posts make me shake my head - where is Christ in that post? answer - He isn't there.
Posts that are filled with the word "YOU" and go on to complain about that 'you' are often problematic - as in a flame. Posts aimed at not letting another perosn get away with something (you say that, I'm gonna say this) are usually problematic as well.

And the rules also include this:

Issues with staff decisions should be taken to the staff member, then the reconciliation team, period. Don't post them, don't PM them to others, don't take them to Lee

You may disagree with some decisions - and there is a way to deal with that besides breaking more rules. I see alot of posts with "those trads are trying to ...." and "those progs" - seems rather odd to me. Speaking for myself (but I am sure for the other two mods of the Progressive area) , I don't care who reports it, the report is looked at. If there is a pattern of reporting posts that are not violations - then that is spite reporting and will be dealt with. And whether the person who is flaming or baiting is traditional or progressive or a nonSDA guest here, it makes no matter to me. But it seems that if folks posted with Christ in mind, then there wouldn't need to be a rule that states:

Use the brain God gave you. Think before you post. Think about how your post may affect someone else.

honorthesabbath · Feb 26, 2008

FreeinChrist said:
I have to admit that I am rather flabbergasted at some of the posts I have seen from some who are Traditional and some who are Progressive.

Paul wrote this:
Eph 4:29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such {a word} as is good for edification according to the need {of the moment,} so that it will give grace to those who hear. Eph 4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

It seems that some posts are made to get that little zinger in against a person that the writer is angry with. Some are written and surely the writer MUST know it will not be received well.

The site wide rules contain the following:

Some posts make me shake my head - where is Christ in that post? answer - He isn't there.
Posts that are filled with the word "YOU" and go on to complain about that 'you' are often problematic - as in a flame. Posts aimed at not letting another perosn get away with something (you say that, I'm gonna say this) are usually problematic as well.

And the rules also include this:

You may disagree with some decisions - and there is a way to deal with that besides breaking more rules. I see alot of posts with "those trads are trying to ...." and "those progs" - seems rather odd to me. Speaking for myself (but I am sure for the other two mods of the Progressive area) , I don't care who reports it, the report is looked at. If there is a pattern of reporting posts that are not violations - then that is spite reporting and will be dealt with. And whether the person who is flaming or baiting is traditional or progressive or a nonSDA guest here, it makes no matter to me. But it seems that if folks posted with Christ in mind, then there wouldn't need to be a rule that states:

Use the brain God gave you. Think before you post. Think about how your post may affect someone else.

FreeinChrist, no offense meant here, but if we were to act upon your last comment, not ONE word would be typed in this entire forum.

Because there is ALWAYS someone who is going to take offense at what someone else says no matter how benign it is. This is just a fact of life. I really think people in general are just getting so dang 'touchy', that they cannot tolerate the least little perceived unkindness. It's really beyond ridiculous.

And as far as having Jesus in our posts, I agree, He should be more present in our thoughts. But lets not forget that Jesus never held back a well placed rebuke. I think on several occasion's that He would even have drawn an infraction from some of you.

RND · Feb 26, 2008

FreeinChrist said:
I have to admit that I am rather flabbergasted at some of the posts I have seen from some who are Traditional and some who are Progressive.

Paul wrote this:
Eph 4:29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such {a word} as is good for edification according to the need {of the moment,} so that it will give grace to those who hear. Eph 4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

It seems that some posts are made to get that little zinger in against a person that the writer is angry with. Some are written and surely the writer MUST know it will not be received well.

The site wide rules contain the following:

Some posts make me shake my head - where is Christ in that post? answer - He isn't there.
Posts that are filled with the word "YOU" and go on to complain about that 'you' are often problematic - as in a flame. Posts aimed at not letting another perosn get away with something (you say that, I'm gonna say this) are usually problematic as well.

And the rules also include this:

You may disagree with some decisions - and there is a way to deal with that besides breaking more rules. I see alot of posts with "those trads are trying to ...." and "those progs" - seems rather odd to me. Speaking for myself (but I am sure for the other two mods of the Progressive area) , I don't care who reports it, the report is looked at. If there is a pattern of reporting posts that are not violations - then that is spite reporting and will be dealt with. And whether the person who is flaming or baiting is traditional or progressive or a nonSDA guest here, it makes no matter to me. But it seems that if folks posted with Christ in mind, then there wouldn't need to be a rule that states:

Use the brain God gave you. Think before you post. Think about how your post may affect someone else.

Excellent thoughts. Thanks for your candor.

FreeinChrist · Feb 26, 2008

honorthesabbath said:
FreeinChrist, no offense meant here, but if we were to act upon your last comment, not ONE word would be typed in this entire forum.

Because there is ALWAYS someone who is going to take offense at what someone else says no matter how benign it is. This is just a fact of life. I really think people in general are just getting so dang 'touchy', that they cannot tolerate the least little perceived unkindness. It's really beyond ridiculous.

In my post, I also quoted this rule:

"If you think you are being flamed, choose *not* to be offended, but instead take a break, and communicate, rather than escalating or accusing others."

Seems to be a problem here. Sometimes it would be wiser to just place a person on ignore. It works. Sometimes what a person gets off on is the controversy and fighting, and ignoring them takes the interest out of it for them.

But the other problem is the extreme language used. Sometimes it is not the view expressed but HOW it is expressed. If the words "you trads" or "you progs" are used - there is a problem. It isn't necesary to make unsubstantiated claims about those who disagree. Thsi is where 'I statements" rather than "accusing you" statements are a good practice. We had problems in the past in GT in the past with folks just stating, "Well that's a heresy!" and dismissing people and failing to support it or explain. Of course folks got upset.

And as far as having Jesus in our posts, I agree, He should be more present in our thoughts. But lets not forget that Jesus never held back a well placed rebuke. I think on several occasion's that He would even have drawn an infraction from some of you.

I doubt He would have gotten an infraction. And He didn't just go around and rebuke everybody, calling them names. He did rebuke the pharisees and the scribes -
but what about the woman with 5 husbands. How gentle was "go and sin no more" as compared to "you hypocrites" that he used with the Pharisees? Did He get in the tax collectors face or eat dinner with him?

We are not in the position of authority that He is. He is the head. We are the body and we are fellow brothers and sisters in Christ and need to see each other as equals in that regard.

RND · Feb 26, 2008

FreeinChrist said:
I doubt it He would have gotten an infraction. And He didn't just go around and rebuke everybody, calling them names. He did rebuke the pharisees and the scribes -
but what about the woman with 5 husbands. How gentle was "go and sin no more" as compared to "you hypocrites" that he used with the Pharisees? Did He get in the tax collectors face or eat dinner with him?

We are not in the position of authority that He is. He is the head. We are the body and we are fellow brothers and sisters in Christ and need to see each other as equals in that regard.

Wow! Very nice points!

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