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No children before the fall. Prove me differently. If you cannot, then tell me why?
I see that you didn't give any scriptural reference to what you said. However we need to repent, be baptized, receive the Holy Ghost, and thereafter to stay on the course of righteousness:
(New Testament | Matthew 4:17)
17 ¶ From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
(New Testament | 1 Peter 3:18 - 22)
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
(New Testament | Mark 1:8)
8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:20 - 22)
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
The kingdom of heaven is the celestial kingdom.
The promise of living with God is to everyone who keeps the commandments:
(New Testament | John 14:21 - 24)
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:40 - 47)
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
From all of your comments you only gave one scriptural reference. Your scripture reference is about the kingdom of God on earth. I was talking about the kingdom of God in heaven. Jesus said to His apostles:I feel annoyed when people stubbornly want credit for good deeds that God should be credited for. God is the One Who delivers us from the power of Satan.
Every Christian has been baptized with the Holy Spirit. A person can't be a Christian without the Spirit.
Fake Christians don't love Christ so they go back to their sinful ways.
WRONG!
Luke 17
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
From all of your comments you only gave one scriptural reference. Your scripture reference is about the kingdom of God on earth. I was talking about the kingdom of God in heaven. Jesus said to His apostles:
(New Testament | Luke 22:29 - 30)
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:50)
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
(New Testament | James 2:5)
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
I believe that the kingdom appointed to Jesus Christ is the celestial kingdom.
As I see, you are still being a separatist. However we are ALL children of God, and God is not a respecter of persons:Christians keep God's commandments instead of those that come from false prophets.
Hypocrites don't love Jesus. They haven't been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. Christians love Him because He first loved us.
Romans 8
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
John 14
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
By their fruits ye shall know them.
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As I see, you are still being a separatist. However we are ALL children of God, and God is not a respecter of persons:
(Old Testament | 2 Samuel 14:14)
(New Testament | John 14:23)
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
I believe His abode is the celestial kingdom.
(New Testament | Luke 22:29 - 30)
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
The Father appointed a kingdom to Jesus Christ, can we assume there must be other kingdoms?
You said by their fruits ye shall know them:
(New Testament | Matthew 5:16)
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:14)
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
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You are in Genesis 1. This all happened spiritually in heaven before the natural creation in Genesis 2.All living creatures multiply. Without lessons it still happens.
Genesis 1
Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.
He does separate those who love Him (His sheep) from those who don't (His goats). That is why He said:LOL! According to you, He is---He gives eternity with God only to certain ones.
He does separate those who love Him (His sheep) from those who don't (His goats). That is why He said:
(New Testament | Matthew 6:33)
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
You are in Genesis 1. This all happened spiritually in heaven before the natural creation in Genesis 2.
Wouldn't you think that the first child of Adam and Eve in the garden would have been an occasion of joy and happiness? Absolutely, so why is it not recorded, and what is the name of that child? Tell me why we don't have the name of the child?
You said: "You claim that God loves every one of His children. Who are they?"Your gods are respecters of persons. Your god separates people from him for eternity after they have supposedly paid for their sins in hell even though they spent this life disobeying Christ. Your gods demand obedience to man made laws designed to differentiate between members of your church and a superiority over non-Mormons.
No, your god never exalts all his children. He exalts those who follow false prophets. My Bible says to beware of false prophets and to obey Christ.
"The priesthood is the eternal power and authority of God. Through the priesthood God created and governs the heavens and the earth. Through this power He redeems and exalts His children,* bringing to pass "the immortality and eternal life of man" (Moses 1:39). God gives priesthood authority to worthy male members of the Church so they can act in His name for the salvation of His children. Priesthood holders can be authorized to preach the gospel, administer the ordinances of salvation, and govern the kingdom of God on the earth. "
And His children obey Christ. The Pharisees did not. Without the Holy Spirit, one can't walk in the light. Jesus is the Light of the world, not false prophets who invent commandments and secret handshakes and passwords. Your leaders change temple ceremonies and covenants to make them more palatable to today's converts hoping to keep them from leaving the church.
Physician heal thyself:
The kingdom of God is within Christian believers, not followers of false prophets.
"You all know how valuable keys can be. Many, if not most, of us carry keys in our pockets at this very moment.
"But the keys about which I shall speak are far more important. They are precious, powerful, and invisible! Some can lock and unlock in heaven as well as on earth. I speak of keys of the priesthood."
Russell M. Nelson, “Keys of the Priesthood,” Ensign, Nov 1987, 36
Keys of the Priesthood - Russell M. Nelson
You claim that God loves every one of His children. Who are they?
“The ordinances of the temple, the endowment and sealings, pertain to exaltation in the celestial kingdom, where the sons and daughters are. The sons and daughters are not outside in some other kingdom. The sons and daughters go into the house, belong to the household, have access to the home. ‘In my Father’s house are many mansions’ [John 14:2]. Sons and daughters have access to the home where he dwells, and you cannot receive that access until you go to the temple. Why? Because you must receive certain key words as well as make covenants by which you are able to enter. If you try to get into the house, and the door is locked, how are you going to enter, if you haven’t your key? You get your key in the temple, which will admit you.“. . . You cannot find a key on the street, for that key is never lost that will open the door that enters into our Father’s mansions. You have got to go where the key is given. And each can obtain the key, if you will; but after receiving it, you may lose it, by having it taken away from you again unless you abide by the agreement which you entered into when you went into the house of the Lord.”
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:40–41
You may think it ridiculous, but you have no proof for what you say, so I could say that your thoughts are ridiculous too.Nobody says they had sex or a child in the garden. It is not recorded. What makes JS or you think that had they not fallen, they would never have had children when God had already commanded they would? That is, sorry, but totally ridiculous!
The goats separate themselves from God the Father by not keeping His commandments of love. God is love and those who are like Him will be with Him in His kingdom. Abraham comes to mind:Now, you know very well I was not referring to the sheep and goats---you teach He has those amongst the sheep that are placed above others and only they will be in His presence.
You may think it ridiculous, but you have no proof for what you say, so I could say that your thoughts are ridiculous too.
So I say they would not have had children in the garden. You say they could have eventually had children in the garden. Since we can not prove one way or the other, then we have to agree to disagree, but neither position is a ridiculous position.
But since they had no children up until the fall (and who knows how long they were in the garden until the fall) my position is more tenable than yours. So stop with the ridiculouses.
The goats separate themselves from God the Father by not keeping His commandments of love. God is love and those who are like Him will be with Him in His kingdom. Abraham comes to mind:
(Old Testament | Genesis 26:5)
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
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