CC Rules

[Albion]

Huh. That's interesting, actually. Ok, what would be the criteria for its being moved, in theory? Like, if it generates a certain amount of reports?

Well, I was thinking that if it actually is a debate on a matter of religious or social belief or policy, this would happen. IOW, you probably would not move an innocent give and take over whether Halloween is better spent going door to door or meeting with a group in the gym. Some judgment has to be exercised by the Mods or it would be impossible to talk to each other and have different ideas on anything. But we can, I think, trust the Mods to know which discussion is which. If a report is made by one of us, then you'd have an authorization to move it, but in my proposal, you'd be able to move it on your own initiative.

An important part of the idea is that there is nothing punitive here, and the debate is not stifled. It merely moves from one forum to another and continues on. There is very little to gripe about with that, I wouldn't think.

And the most important need would be, IMO, that the move occur early on. After four or five exchanges, it should be quite evident what is going on. Then act. It's when, on some other forums, that the heat really rises through many, many posts that doing something or anything about the debate makes people mad. Then, but only then, they say that the Mod is cutting one side off or favoring one side. If it is done early, that wouldn't happen and we'd learn to take it for granted.

A report would, hopefully, only be sent if a member sees that the debate has gone on too long without anything being done about it. Again, I would see that as exceptional, not the usual. We do not have absentee Mods here. They participate as much as the rest of us and, I am sure, would see for themselves when something is happening. But if not, and a report comes in, there's not going to be any internal wrangling over who is right, the reporter or the one reported on,etc. The thread just gets moved. In my idea, this is just a housekeeping action, nothing judicial or punitive.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I get you... my only worry is that it's the lack of actual traffic that got me to thinking about it. CC is so peaceful and lovely, but possibly isn't fulfilling the needs of all CC members in terms of the make-up of the threads. So we need some more meaty ones. If those then get moved to the Debate sub-forum, as they do now, people really don't visit the sub-forums because they escape the visual radar...

Or am I not responding to what you said, remotely? Have tied myself up in knots, Albion Am sorry.

 

[Albion]

Hey GM!

I just checked in with two other threads I was reading on this morning and what did I find?

The Mod (you) had moved them to debate mode.

So here's my point...What did I think?

My immediate thought was "Oh, the mod decided to move this to another location."

IOW, I took it as routine and that's all. I realize that a report probably came in to you before this happened, but that's only because you stated something to that effect, but this is immaterial to me. If you had informed the readership that the move had occurred for no reason other than that it was more appropriate for the debate forum, that would be totally fine.

Anyway, I'm saying all this, somewhat repetitiously, because I had a perfect opportunity to see how I myself would react to the moving of a thread that I'd been involved in and ... it was no big deal at all.

 

[A New Dawn]

I get you... my only worry is that it's the lack of actual traffic that got me to thinking about it. CC is so peaceful and lovely, but possibly isn't fulfilling the needs of all CC members in terms of the make-up of the threads. So we need some more meaty ones. If those then get moved to the Debate sub-forum, as they do now, people really don't visit the sub-forums because they escape the visual radar...

Or am I not responding to what you said, remotely? Have tied myself up in knots, Albion Am sorry.

If you move threads that are already well established, there is no concern because everyone who has posted in it is already subscribed and they can just click on the link in their CP. Putting them in the debate subforum accomplishes a couple of things. Not only does it keep the main forum less stressed and more inviting for normal general topics that anyone can participate in, it gets people used to going to the debate forum, and onced they are there more frequently, they might actually start topics there.

 

[Albion]

I get you... my only worry is that it's the lack of actual traffic that got me to thinking about it. CC is so peaceful and lovely, but possibly isn't fulfilling the needs of all CC members in terms of the make-up of the threads. So we need some more meaty ones. If those then get moved to the Debate sub-forum, as they do now, people really don't visit the sub-forums because they escape the visual radar...

Or am I not responding to what you said, remotely? Have tied myself up in knots, Albion Am sorry.

Not at all. You in fact have put your finger on a weakness in my idea.

If the threads get moved, will they be noticed? Maybe not. Is there any way to keep the titles on the main forum but have them switched also, for the benefit of those who would otherwise not see them if not visting the debate sub? A notice to go to the debate sub, for example? If there is no way to do this, maybe there could be a permanent thread (like we have with the membership roll) in which one could see the topics that have been moved. I don'r really know, but your point was a good one.

I should also say this as a personal note. You were kind to me a day or so ago to say that you'd missed me when I was less active here and was playing around on other forums. I didn't want to say it then, but a reason was just what you have said here--there's a lack of meaty threads when the main forum becomes a fellowship only forum. We can't allow bitter divisiveness, but the other extreme doesn't work too well either for those who like to engage in the exchange of ideas concerning religious issues.

 

[Albion]

If you move threads that are already well established, there is no concern because everyone who has posted in it is already subscribed and they can just click on the link in their CP. Putting them in the debate subforum accomplishes a couple of things. Not only does it keep the main forum less stressed and more inviting for normal general topics that anyone can participate in, it gets people used to going to the debate forum, and onced they are there more frequently, they might actually start topics there.

Sounds right to me. I forgot that for anyone who is already involved in that thread, the title will come up whenever they click on Faves. There's no difference in the list of subscriptions as to whether one is on the main or a subforum. The problem then is indeed only one concerning new visitors who would want to find existing debates, not regulars who have been debating and not visitors wanting to start a debate. And as you say, it's not too much to assume that these will figure this out.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Not at all. You in fact have put your finger on a weakness in my idea.

If the threads get moved, will they be noticed? Maybe not. Is there any way to keep the titles on the main forum but have them switched also, for the benefit of those who would otherwise not see them if not visting the debate sub? A notice to go to the debate sub, for example? If there is no way to do this, maybe there could be a permanent thread (like we have with the membership roll) in which one could see the topics that have been moved. I don'r really know, but your point was a good one.

Yeah, we can choose to leave a redirect note. Like if you check the main forum, you'll see I left a note about both the Baptisn and Denomination threads... so if you click on either of the threads, they'll still take you to the Debate Sub-forum. Actually, that's quite a nifty resource, come to think of it

I should also say this as a personal note. You were kind to me a day or so ago to say that you'd missed me when I was less active here and was playing around on other forums. I didn't want to say it then, but a reason was just what you have said here--there's a lack of meaty threads when the main forum becomes a fellowship only forum. We can't allow bitter divisiveness, but the other extreme doesn't work too well either for those who like to engage in the exchange of ideas concerning religious issues.

That's been at the back of my mind for a while... I suppose it's cos of that female pastor debate. Remember how vile that got? It's just a pity it happened so early on, cos everyone was feeling very raw after the reforms (twas open season on coservatives), so what walls there were reinforced a hundred-fold. Was just terrible timing. That debate now would probably be far more respectful. Hindsight, eh? Tis a cruel mistress

But I digress We do need more actual discussion and debate if we're gonna keep everyone happy. We need *all* people to feel at home here, and for many, being at home includes having some topics you can get your teeth into. Just not sure how to make it happen, dude.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Actually, i think we are more agreed than it would appear GM

I think leaving the main forum as non debate is a good thing, if for nothing else, to simply enjoy peaceful bible study and fellowship among one another.

Having an open debate sub forum however, we are all bold enoough to defend what we believe, and loving enough to invite.

I think if we allow debate in our main forum it eliminates the usefulness of the debate sub forum, and also takes away from our peace, the bible studies and the joyous fellowship

 

[Time2BCounted]

Not at all. You in fact have put your finger on a weakness in my idea.

If the threads get moved, will they be noticed? Maybe not. Is there any way to keep the titles on the main forum but have them switched also, for the benefit of those who would otherwise not see them if not visting the debate sub? A notice to go to the debate sub, for example? If there is no way to do this, maybe there could be a permanent thread (like we have with the membership roll) in which one could see the topics that have been moved. I don'r really know, but your point was a good one.

I should also say this as a personal note. You were kind to me a day or so ago to say that you'd missed me when I was less active here and was playing around on other forums. I didn't want to say it then, but a reason was just what you have said here--there's a lack of meaty threads when the main forum becomes a fellowship only forum. We can't allow bitter divisiveness, but the other extreme doesn't work too well either for those who like to engage in the exchange of ideas concerning religious issues.

I think it would be a very easy thing to deal with Albion.

If we have a bible study in the main forum, and a new comer wants to debate it, we can at that point simply begin a debate concerning that issue in the sub forum, to allow the bible study in the main forum to benefit those within our household

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

The problem seems to be laziness on the part of those who are not members as they don't even look at our rules or for the sub forum. Perhaps laziness isnt the right descriptive.

 

[Jim47]

I think it could use an over haul. We currently rule violation for anything except to say Hi

I think it could be worded better and simpler.

 

[Hentenza]

Hi Jim47,

Actually I don't think that is the case. If you look at the volume of reports generated by CC, it is evident that we do not use it much. We are a young forum and need some time to naturally evolve.

There is one thing that I can guarantee you. If we open the main forum to debates by non-members the report count will increase.

 

[Joy]

Hi Jim47,

Actually I don't think that is the case. If you look at the volume of reports generated by CC, it is evident that we do not use it much. We are a young forum and need some time to naturally evolve.

There is one thing that I can guarantee you. If we open the main forum to debates by non-members the report count will increase.

I agree with this

 

[Albion]

There is one thing that I can guarantee you. If we open the main forum to debates by non-members the report count will increase.

I believe that's right, but not if we just let them begin there.

What that means then is that none of the poll choices is exactly in line with what we've trended towards in our discussion, except "other," so I guess I'll go for that.

 

[Jim47]

Hi Jim47,

Actually I don't think that is the case. If you look at the volume of reports generated by CC, it is evident that we do not use it much. We are a young forum and need some time to naturally evolve.

There is one thing that I can guarantee you. If we open the main forum to debates by non-members the report count will increase.

If you are looking at it from the report perspective then yes you are right. But isn't this a Christian forum? How are we acting as Christians if we shut out visitors and where is our opportunity to witness?

 

[ContentInHim]

Actually, when we're not getting pounded on, we are very open and friendly to those who drift our way! If they get sarcastic, snarky, become flamethrowers, etc. Something is normally moved to debate. Hasn't been a problem really as normally a bit of a headsup has been enough to stop rude behavior.

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Personally, I don't think it would end up being witnessing as much as defending ourselves.

 

[Jim47]

Actually, when we're not getting pounded on, we are very open and friendly to those who drift our way! If they get sarcastic, snarky, become flamethrowers, etc. Something is normally moved to debate. Hasn't been a problem really as normally a bit of a headsup has been enough to stop rude behavior.

I couldn't ask for more, and it is a well know fact that reports are down about 500% from what they were

 

[Hentenza]

If you are looking at it from the report perspective then yes you are right. But isn't this a Christian forum? How are we acting as Christians if we shut out visitors and where is our opportunity to witness?

Hey Jim,

We are in no way shutting out anyone. People of all faiths and beliefs are welcomed to fellowship with us. There is absolutely no restrictions to fellowship. We defined fellowship and debate with the intention of setting the expectations of the members and non-members. We even have a debate forum for everyone to debate with no restrictions as long as they stay within the site wide rules.

The membership of this forum agreed that the main forum would remain non-member debate free and a place where fellowship is not only encouraged but expected.

I believe that the wrong perception has been broadcasted because of the circumstances surrounding some issues that happened at the beginning of this forum. Some folks have exploited these misconceptions and assumed that non-members are not welcomed here. That perception is not true. I will be happy to start a thread in announcements to debunk these misconceptions if it will help.

 

[MrJim]

Personally, I don't think it would end up being witnessing as much as defending ourselves.

I saw the "baptism" and "denominations" threads got moved back up to the debate section. Gettin' to be a zoo...

Remove our current rules and it'll be like that X10, and then'll I'll just drift over and eat the crumbs that fall from TAW's table; they're nice folks with a controlled forum and let us nondebaters in to fellowship and learn...