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Angel4Truth

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works are a result of salvation - because works are not performed by us but by the spirit working through us. When we get saved we have exchanged our life (dead in sin) for His life (alive in spirit).

The disciples asked Jesus what were the works of God and Christ replied " to believe in the one whom He sent" .

The bible also says -after it states it is by grace you have been saved not of works - that we were are new creations created to walk in the works that God created for us. We get no credit for it.

John 6:28. Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?''
29. Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.''

Ephesians 2: 8. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9. not of works, lest anyone should boast.
10. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

We cannot walk in (perform) the works worthy of God (that it already says God made to begin with) without the Spirit that we dont have untill we have been saved.
 
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Where does it say we don't have the spirit of God till we are saved?

I make this point of distinction because spirit does not always point to Ruach Ha Kodesh (wind of holiness) Or spirit of sanctification.

Rather I've always understood that life itself is the spirit of God in us... God breathed. Rather the "Seal" of promise is the Holy Spirit. This is to distinguish between the spirit of Righteousness, spirit of discernment... and all manner of giftedness that seal us in service to God.

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Where does it say we don't have the spirit of God till we are saved?
here :

2 Corinthians 1:21. Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God,
22. who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a deposit.

And here :

Ephesians 1: 13. In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14. who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
 
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here :

2 Corinthians 1:21. Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God,
22. who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a deposit.

And here :

Ephesians 1: 13. In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14. who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Thank you I will study these
 
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I keep thinking that we need to look at not what we think, but what the Bible says regarding salvation.

Yet when I do that, I find support both for salvation of faith only by grace and of works flowing from that. It's so frustrating.
You are correct.
We are saved when we believe.
Works are the evidence or fruit of our salvation- never the cause of it.

Act 10:43 ESV- To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

Act 13:38-39 ESV
38- Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,
39- and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.

Act 16:31 ESV- And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Rom 3:20 ESV- For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 ESV- For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Gal 2:16 ESV- yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Eph 2:8-9 ESV
8- For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
9- not a result of works, so that no one may boast.


Yet even though we are not saved by works, we are expected to do good works as a way of bringing glory to God in the earth, bearing fruit in His name, and storing up treasure in heaven.

Eph 2:10 ESV- For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

1Ti 6:18-19 ESV
18- They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,
19- thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life.

Tit 2:14 ESV- who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

 
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You are correct.
We are saved when we believe.
Works are the evidence or fruit of our salvation- never the cause of it.

Act 10:43 ESV- To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

Act 13:38-39 ESV
38- Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,
39- and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.

Act 16:31 ESV- And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Rom 3:20 ESV- For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 ESV- For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Gal 2:16 ESV- yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Eph 2:8-9 ESV
8- For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
9- not a result of works, so that no one may boast.


Yet even though we are not saved by works, we are expected to do good works as a way of bringing glory to God in the earth, bearing fruit in His name, and storing up treasure in heaven.

Eph 2:10 ESV- For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

1Ti 6:18-19 ESV
18- They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,
19- thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life.

Tit 2:14 ESV- who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

Oh wow. I don't mean to sound like I'm always dense, but I actually get this one. I am normally so bad at Bible Study, I never feel that what I get from reading the Bible is as deep as what everyone else gets. I am always to embarrassed to participate. But these examples here I actually understand. Thanks. I'm going to reflect on these some more.
 
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Just remember what the Church says about it too. IMO the Church's teachings really aren't at odds with salvation by faith through grace and not of works at all, but the way it's portrayed can be interesting sometimes.
 
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I have many books on "Holiness". The key to holiness is submitting to the Spirit's control in daily life that will enable us to overcome the human nature and live through grace's sufficiency. If a Christian thinks that God is not concerned about our sins as we do, then people don't really know God's holiness. 1 Corinthians 6:19, "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?"
 
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Hebrews 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.


Hebrews 13:12
And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.



Ok, a question for anybody...

What does it mean to "make every effort" to be holy?
And, if Jesus suffered to *make* us holy, where do our own "efforts" come in?


(k, two questions! :D)
 
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Hebrews 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.


Hebrews 13:12
And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.



Ok, a question for anybody...

What does it mean to "make every effort" to be holy?
And, if Jesus suffered to *make* us holy, where do our own "efforts" come in?


(k, two questions! :D)

2 Peter, Chapter 1, verses 5 through 9:
"For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.​


(Verse 5) "make every effort" (diligence): Philippians 3:12-15 "Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you."

(Verse 5) "to add to your faith" : James 2:14-26 "What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, 'Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,' but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. But someone will say, 'You have faith; I have deeds.' Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, 'Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,' and he was called God's friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."

(Verse 5) "goodness" (virture):
Exodus 33:19: And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."

Romans 15:14: I (Paul) myself am convinced, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, complete in knowledge and competent to instruct one another.

2 Peter 1:3: His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.

Luke 18:14 : "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Philippians 4:8: Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things

(Verses 5-6) "and to goodness, knowledge":
Romans 15:14 I (Paul) myself am convinced, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, complete in knowledge and competent to instruct one another.

2 Timothy 3:16-17: All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Chronicles 1:9-12 : (Solomon) Now, LORD God, let your promise to my father David be confirmed, for you have made me king over a people who are as numerous as the dust of the earth. Give me wisdom and knowledge, that I may lead this people, for who is able to govern this great people of yours?' God said to Solomon, 'Since this is your heart's desire and you have not asked for wealth, riches or honor, nor for the death of your enemies, and since you have not asked for a long life but for wisdom and knowledge to govern my people over whom I have made you king, therefore wisdom and knowledge will be given you. And I will also give you wealth, riches and honor, such as no king who was before you ever had and none after you will have.'

Psalm 119:66 Teach me knowledge and good judgment, for I believe in your commands.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

1 Corinthians 1:5-6 For in him you have been enriched in every way—in all your speaking and in all your knowledge— because our testimony about Christ was confirmed in you.

1 Corinthians 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

2 Corinthians 10:5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

Ephesians 3:17-19 I (Paul) pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

(Verse 6) and to knowledge, self-control;
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Matthew 23:25 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

Luke 9:25 What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?

Romans 2:8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

1 Corinthians 7:5 Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

1 Corinthians 13:5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

2 Corinthians 11:17 In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool.

1 Thessalonians 5:6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled.

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But since we belong to the day, let us be self-controlled, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.

2 Timothy 1:7 For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline.

Titus 2:12 It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age

1 Peter 3:4 Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight.

1 Peter 4:7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray.

(Verse 6) and to self-control, perseverance;
Romans 5:3-5 Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

2 Thessalonians 3:5 May the Lord direct your hearts into God's love and Christ's perseverance.

Hebrews 12:1 [ God Disciplines His Sons ] Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.

James 1:2-5 Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.

James 1:4 Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

James 5:11 As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job's perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.

Colossians 3:12-13 Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.

(Verse 6-7) and to perseverance, godliness;
1 Timothy 4:8 For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

1 Timothy 6:3-6 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain.

1 Timothy 6:11 [ Paul's Charge to Timothy ] But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.

2 Timothy 3:2-5 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God's elect and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness—

2 Peter 1:3 [ Making One's Calling and Election Sure ] His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.

(Verse 7) and to godliness, brotherly kindness;
Romans 2:4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

Romans 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

2 Corinthians 6:4-10 Rather, as servants of God we commend ourselves in every way: in great endurance; in troubles, hardships and distresses; in beatings, imprisonments and riots; in hard work, sleepless nights and hunger; in purity, understanding, patience and kindness; in the Holy Spirit and in sincere love; in truthful speech and in the power of God; with weapons of righteousness in the right hand and in the left; through glory and dishonor, bad report and good report; genuine, yet regarded as impostors; known, yet regarded as unknown; dying, and yet we live on; beaten, and yet not killed; sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; poor, yet making many rich; having nothing, and yet possessing everything.

Colossians 3:12 Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

(Verse 7) and to brotherly kindness, love.
Romans 12:9 Love must be sincere.

Romans 12:10 Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves.

Romans 13:8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:9 The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law
 
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