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I'd rather not perpetuate the myth that I worship the same god Muslims do. At least in the USA, if it serves the Lord's purpose to do so elsewhere, it'd be really annoying to do, but I'd do it. (That is, if it'd ever be right..)
 
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Well, for Arab Christians the name "God" is said as "Allah."

That being said, this particular reasoning seems pretty stupid.


What if I want to call God by the name Bengal Tiger? Doesn't it matter what name we call God by?
 
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I'd rather not perpetuate the myth that I worship the same god Muslims do.

It isn't a myth; you do worship the same Deity they do.

By the way, a "myth" is properly defined as a story that teaches a moral or religious truth.

What if I want to call God by the name Bengal Tiger? Doesn't it matter what name we call God by?

Does "Bengal Tiger" in another language translate to "God"?

Since it does not, Fallacy of False Analogy. Allah translates rather nicely to God.

In fact, I might even argue that it is a better term, since it is very specific; "god" could mean either the Abrahamic Deity we worship or any deity. Allah means "the (one) God," which can only be applied to a specific deity. In this case, it refers to the Abrahamic Deity that all Christians, Muslims, and Jews worship.
 
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What if I want to call God by the name Bengal Tiger? Doesn't it matter what name we call God by?

What is the word for God in Arabic?

Here's a hint: they don't generally use English-language bibles or deal with any of that Sacred Name sort of business.
 
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I recall this thread (being on it myself) and believe I stood corrrected on it so I thought I'd post this because its related to Lambs thread.

Taken from here

Allah - Page 6 - Christian Forums

S Walsh shows (links as well)

The Arabic word for "god" is ilah - Allah is indeed the name of a false pagan god.

That is why the Islamic statement of of faith is:

"La ilaha ill Allah" - there is no god (ilah) but Allah.


Allah - Page 8 - Christian Forums

the Arabic word for god is ilah.

Even the koran states it as such:

3.62: This is the true account, the true explanation: There is no Ilah (God) except Allah.

52:43: Have they an ilah (god) other than Allah?

5:4: Pronounce the Name of Allah: and fear Allah; for Allah is swift in reckoning

20:8: Allah! There is no Ilah (God) save Him. His are the most beautiful Names. To Him belong the most beautiful attributes

20:14: Verily, I am Allah. No Ilah (God) may be worshiped but I. So serve you Me, and perform regular prostration prayer for My praise. Verily the Hour is coming. I am almost hiding it from Myself

20:96: Now look at your ilah (god), of whom you have become devoted. We will (burn) it and scatter it in the sea! But your Ilah (God) is Allah: there is no ilah (god) but He. Thus do We relate to you some stories of what happened before from Our own Remembrance

8:45: O believers! When you meet an army, be firm, and think of Allah’s Name much; that you may prosper

59:22: Allah is He, no other Ilah (God) may be worshiped; Who knows both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. He is Allah, Whom there is no other Ilah (God); the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Security, the Guardian of Faith, the Majestic, the Irresistible, the Superb, the Compeller: Glory to Allah! He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colors). To Him belong the Best Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth declares His Praises and Glory: and He is the Mighty, the Wise

Again, I'll state it quite simply:

Allah = Name.

Ilah = Arabic word/title which means god.


If Allah was merely the arabic word for "god" then it would say "La allaha ill Allah" - and it clearly doesn't.

Saying that, god or ilah isn't a name, but merely a title.

Allah is the name of the Islamic god - which is a false one.

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It's a common misconception that the Arabic name Allah corresponds to the English word God, when in fact, throughout the Koran (one of the oldest known pieces of Arabic literature, and was originally written in it's Paleo-Arabic form) the Arabic Allah is always, 100% of the time, used as a name.

Now, God, in English, isn't a name - It's a title.

Just like Lord is a title, not a name.

The koran uses the arabic word ilah as the corresponding title to our English word God, and therefore the corresponding title to the Spanish dios and so on and so forth.

That is proven by the Koran quotes I have posted in a previous post.

A few months ago, some Muslims started a topic in the non-christian section of the forum stating as such - Allah is a name, not a word meaning "God" - bu tunfortunately, like many topics in that forum, it was locked and deleted.

Also, did a google search on "Arab Bible" and came across this page:


What happened to Allah?

Which confirms what I said, and actually shows that certain arabic bibles (like this one) use ilah and not Allah as the Arabic word/title for God.

I wanted to post this because I stood corrected on it.

Peace

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لأَنَّهُ هكَذَا أَحَبَّ اللهُ الْعَالَمَ حَتَّى بَذَلَ ابْنَهُ الْوَحِيدَ، لِكَيْ لاَ يَهْلِكَ كُلُّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ، بَلْ تَكُونُ لَهُ الْحَيَاةُ الأَبَدِيَّةُ.
 
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لأَنَّهُ هكَذَا أَحَبَّ اللهُ الْعَالَمَ حَتَّى بَذَلَ ابْنَهُ الْوَحِيدَ، لِكَيْ لاَ يَهْلِكَ كُلُّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ، بَلْ تَكُونُ لَهُ الْحَيَاةُ الأَبَدِيَّةُ.
:eek: Noperz. The Muslims already believe Muhammad is in Isaiah 42 and how they learned to read Hebrew is beyond me. :D

http://www.christianforums.com/t5858522-isaiah-53-a-contextual-discussion.html

http://jews-for-allah.org/Muhammad-and-Judaism/the-Jewish-Bible/Muhammad-in-Isaiah42.htm

If we consider "mine elect" as a noun then Mine elect = God's elect = Mustafa (in Arabic) the name of our Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (SAV). Otherwise it is true for all prophets of God.

All prophets after Jacob (pbuh) mentioned in the Bible came for Israelites not Gentiles. This includes Jesus (pbuh) (look Matthew 15:21-26, Matthew 10:5-6 and many more). And Jesus (pbuh) did not stay on earth long enough to do that. But Muhammad (pbuh) was a Gentile and he brought message and judgment to Gentiles first.
 
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لأَنَّهُ هكَذَا أَحَبَّ اللهُ الْعَالَمَ حَتَّى بَذَلَ ابْنَهُ الْوَحِيدَ، لِكَيْ لاَ يَهْلِكَ كُلُّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ، بَلْ تَكُونُ لَهُ الْحَيَاةُ الأَبَدِيَّةُ.


It says, meet me at Macdonalds :thumbsup:
 
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Allah has too much of a connotation. It'd be like calling Heaven "Kolob"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob because of function as throne of God.

My God is triune. Allah is only one person. Now, if people want to say it's the same name for the Father, that's one thing, but to full out say God = Allah is not viable theology.
 
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Look in an Arabic Bible; what word is used? Allah.

I trust actual experts in the languages who painstakingly carefully translated the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek into Arabic.

Allah is furthermore a contraction. It is made up from two Arabic words: God (ilah) and the (al). Therefore, God=Allah. Al is a qualifier.
 
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لأَنَّهُ هكَذَا أَحَبَّ اللهُ الْعَالَمَ حَتَّى بَذَلَ ابْنَهُ الْوَحِيدَ، لِكَيْ لاَ يَهْلِكَ كُلُّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ، بَلْ تَكُونُ لَهُ الْحَيَاةُ الأَبَدِيَّةُ.

Sadly, I cannot find a good Arabaic<->English online lexicon/dictionary. Got any suggestions where to find one?

Preferably one that is free to use? ;)

It says, meet me at Macdonalds :thumbsup:

:sigh:

Allah has too much of a connotation. It'd be like calling Heaven "Kolob"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob because of function as throne of God.

Fallacy of Consequences and Fallacy of False Analogy.

The former because millions of Arabic-speaking Christians do not make any sort of silly mistake.

The latter because we're talking about a translation of words inbetween languages.

My God is triune. Allah is only one person. Now, if people want to say it's the same name for the Father, that's one thing, but to full out say God = Allah is not viable theology.

Jews only worship one deity too. Do they worship a different god too?

We are slowly moving into Marcionism and moving away from Christianity. :sigh:
 
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Kool, maybe I dont stand corrected then.

I just PMed S Walsh to see if he could add anything or provide anything further.

Unless S Walsh can provide a peer-reviewed expert, any reply he gives is a Fallacy of Appealing to (false) Authority unless he then himself is an expert.
 
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It says, meet me at Macdonalds :thumbsup:

Negative. John 3:16

&#1575;&#1604;&#1604;&#1617;&#1648;&#1607; (fourth word in from the right).

Is the Arabic script for God...anyone want to guess how is is pronounced?
 
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Unless S Walsh can provide a peer-reviewed expert, any reply he gives is a Fallacy of Appealing to (false) Authority unless he then himself is an expert.

Sadly, I cannot find a good Arabaic<->English online lexicon/dictionary. Got any suggestions where to find one?

Preferably one that is free to use? ;)
I remember a Muslim on the NCR board that gave some links to a few. Want me to send one over here? :)

http://www.christianforums.com/f76-non-christian-religion.html
 
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Oh take a joke PV, get off my back too

1. I personally don't think it is funny. Particularly since you'd be doing nothing more than insulting millions of your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ who speak Arabic for a primary language. Are you serving God by making fun of how they talk?!

2. You shouldn't make accusations you yourself do not have proof of.

3. It is a debate thread. Don't take criticism so personally unless they make it personal. I have not made any of my posts personal in this thread. Therefore, you shouldn't take my posts personally.
 
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