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One point to remember is the Catholic church is both a strong believer in Sacred Scripture 'AND' Sacred Tradition. Where as others are strong 'Sola Scripture' believers only.
Before the Bible was assembled (by the Catholic Church) God's word was mostly preached by word of mouth. There was no such thing as Sola Scripture in the early church! It is a rather modern invention.
Before the Bible was assembled (by the Catholic Church) God's word was mostly preached by word of mouth. There was no such thing as Sola Scripture in the early church! It is a rather modern invention.
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The problem is that you are saying those who are in heaven can’t hear prayers when you don’t know that. Maybe they can. I’m simply entertaining the possibility that they can. I’m not saying they definitely can and neither is the Orthodox Church.
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My proofs are enough for me. They disprove what you claim. Its there in black and white.
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Plus, the Bible is a guide. Then, with the Church, we have 'more'. We have the Holy Spirit at work. Guiding, teaching, revealing.
When the Bible is closed shut, God's teaching is not shut with it!
God works in mysterious ways. He is alive in His church.
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I did not say that. And it wouldn't matter anyway if I am not praying to them, right?
But you took the side of those who stipulate that of course they can hear them and of course also those people are in heaven. That places some obligation upon such petitioners to have some basis for affirming both of those assumptions.
I think that the Orthodox churches ARE saying "yes" to both of those points, however.
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Nah I wouldn’t say modern, all of the scriptures were written in the first century.
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As Christians we are priests, so why would we need dead people, - i.e. people who have been alive on this earth but who died an earthly death and are now spirits in heaven,- to intercede for us? Because as priests we can now approach the throne of God with confidence so do not need a third party to intercede.
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Actually, if you were to study the Early Church Fathers instead of simply invoking them and talking about Sacred Tradition, you would find out that they affirmed Scripture but never "Sacred Tradition!"
Even the Nicene Creed cites Scripture--and it alone--in the body of the Creed as the justification for believing what is written in the Creed.
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But a church can still turn away from His teaching. The inquisitions are evidence of that.
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I completely agree there. I’ve never prayed to anyone but God but after much study on the subject I see why some people do and I believe they have a valid point.
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Out of this thread now. I am not going to go round in circles all the time. Catholic believe one thing, Protestants believe another.
At the end of the day, we are ALL brothers and sisters in Christ.
God bless you all
At the end of the day, we are ALL brothers and sisters in Christ.
God bless you all
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