Catholic question

[unwantedbygod]

I used to be Catholic, and I still attend services rarely. Are there any churches who haven't changed the responses? Just wondering.

I don't think I could go back to being Catholic full time but I'd like to attend Ash Wednesday services still, and I gotta say I hate the new responses. Mostly because for a church that prides itself on being super-traditional, it sure was willing revamp the entire liturgy, but still doesn't want women in positions of authority...I don't really feel comfortable any more. But I hate to give it up entirely.

Again I don't know where else to ask this because of the restrictions on non-Christians posting.

Oh, I'm talking about English masses; not Latin.

 

[Trogool]

I used to be Catholic, and I still attend services rarely. Are there any churches who haven't changed the responses? Just wondering.

I don't think I could go back to being Catholic full time but I'd like to attend Ash Wednesday services still, and I gotta say I hate the new responses. Mostly because for a church that prides itself on being super-traditional, it sure was willing revamp the entire liturgy, but still doesn't want women in positions of authority...I don't really feel comfortable any more. But I hate to give it up entirely.

Again I don't know where else to ask this because of the restrictions on non-Christians posting.

Oh, I'm talking about English masses; not Latin.

There's the priestly fraternity of St. Peter and the society of st pius v. Or you might look into an Orthodox Church for traditional worship.

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[SQLservant]

I used to be Catholic, and I still attend services rarely. Are there any churches who haven't changed the responses? Just wondering.

I don't think I could go back to being Catholic full time but I'd like to attend Ash Wednesday services still, and I gotta say I hate the new responses. Mostly because for a church that prides itself on being super-traditional, it sure was willing revamp the entire liturgy, but still doesn't want women in positions of authority...I don't really feel comfortable any more. But I hate to give it up entirely.

Again I don't know where else to ask this because of the restrictions on non-Christians posting.

Oh, I'm talking about English masses; not Latin.

I assume you mean the 2011/2012 new translation of the English Missal? That was actually intended as a return to the traditional form, as the new text matches the Latin better (e.g., et cum spiritu tuo, literally "and with your spirit." Old translation: "And also with you." New translation: "And with your spirit.")

Unfortunately, if you really want to go back to "and also with you," a Mass in English is pretty much out of the question, as this missal was put into practice in the English-speaking world in 2011, replacing the older translation.

Do you find the new translation to be wrong or inferior to the old in some way?

 

[unwantedbygod]

In a couple of spots I do, but it actually makes me uncomfortable on a personal level I won't go into here...basically the Catholic church has a lot of things I disagree with but I let it go because it's so traditional and change isn't really what they do, LOL. But now that they're willing to make such a big change to "unify all Catholics" yet, say, still not allow women in the clergy...

(And I will never NOT say "Lord, I am not worthy TO RECEIVE YOU, but only say the word and I shall be healed," LOL, but that's a personal choice. With no intention of being disrespectful of course.)

 

[TheyCallMeDave]

I used to be Catholic, and I still attend services rarely. Are there any churches who haven't changed the responses? Just wondering.

I don't think I could go back to being Catholic full time but I'd like to attend Ash Wednesday services still, and I gotta say I hate the new responses. Mostly because for a church that prides itself on being super-traditional, it sure was willing revamp the entire liturgy, but still doesn't want women in positions of authority...I don't really feel comfortable any more. But I hate to give it up entirely.

Again I don't know where else to ask this because of the restrictions on non-Christians posting.

Oh, I'm talking about English masses; not Latin.

I think you might find it very refreshing to your worship and praise experience in addition to getting very practical teaching from the Bible that you can immediately apply in your daily life, if you were to visit an upbeat Evangelical Church that places total authority on Gods infallable Word ; Assembly of God denomination comes to mind . I went to one for a few years and was so blessed by what i got out of attending -- it brings a whole new way of genuinely experiencing God in a very heartfelt way..whereas Churches that are excessively liturgical can seem very robotic , mechanical, and religious yet without a personal connection element to Christ .

 

[Quaero]

Any Catholic church using the Roman Missal will use the new responses now.

Us Anglicans/Episcopalians normally still use "The Lord be with you / And also with you" though

 

[TheyCallMeDave]

Any Catholic church using the Roman Missal will use the new responses now.

..............

Will those using the Roman Missal still teach that Christ only opened a door for salvation and justification...and the Catholic needs to finish the job by contributing good deeds of his own plus the good deeds from deceased Catholics thruout the ages ( CCC #1477) ??? Thanks.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

I used to be Catholic, and I still attend services rarely. Are there any churches who haven't changed the responses? Just wondering.

I don't think I could go back to being Catholic full time but I'd like to attend Ash Wednesday services still, and I gotta say I hate the new responses. Mostly because for a church that prides itself on being super-traditional, it sure was willing revamp the entire liturgy, but still doesn't want women in positions of authority...I don't really feel comfortable any more. But I hate to give it up entirely.

Again I don't know where else to ask this because of the restrictions on non-Christians posting.

Oh, I'm talking about English masses; not Latin.

The new translation put the English speaking Catholics on the same level as non-English speaking Catholics. The old translation was never intended to be used long term. It was a quick translation that was to be used while a better translation was created. Unfortunately, it too decades to finally come up with the right translation. No Catholic parishes should be using the old translation of the Latin into Englsih.

I don't believe the Catholic Church is against women being in positions of authority. There are a number of women who are in prominent places of authority within local parishes, as well as in advisory roles in the upper parts of the Church. I think the Catholic Church is struggling to find the appropriate role for women within the authority of the Church. It may take decades to finally figure out. The Church does not make quick or rash decisions.

 

[TheyCallMeDave]

The new translation put the English speaking Catholics on the same level as non-English speaking Catholics. The old translation was never intended to be used long term. It was a quick translation that was to be used while a better translation was created. Unfortunately, it too decades to finally come up with the right translation. No Catholic parishes should be using the old translation of the Latin into Englsih.

I don't believe the Catholic Church is against women being in positions of authority. There are a number of women who are in prominent places of authority within local parishes, as well as in advisory roles in the upper parts of the Church. I think the Catholic Church is struggling to find the appropriate role for women within the authority of the Church. It may take decades to finally figure out. The Church does not make quick or rash decisions.

I think that the RCC is struggling with a far greater issue than women in authority...such as : Presenting the real true Gospel that saves instead of the RCC being 'the visible sacrament of salvation' to quote Fr. Tom Forrest , former personal assistant to John Paul 2 .

 

[Knee V]

(And I will never NOT say "Lord, I am not worthy TO RECEIVE YOU, but only say the word and I shall be healed," LOL, but that's a personal choice. With no intention of being disrespectful of course.)

I'm curious about that. If you don't mind me asking, what issue do you have with saying that?

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

I think that the RCC is struggling with a far greater issue than women in authority...such as : Presenting the real true Gospel that saves instead of the RCC being 'the visible sacrament of salvation' to quote Fr. Tom Forrest , former personal assistant to John Paul 2 .

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.