Catholic doctrine of Creation ?

twinc said:

it is YOU and not I that is misrepresenting the Church's teaching and the everyone else who accepts as you do - Vatican 1 Canon 1 as at 'God the Creator' has everything to do with creation and not evolution - don't you know or realise that Catholics like yourself are adrift from Church teaching and the cause of division in the Church - so come home - meanwhile Creationists eagerly await ex cathedra pronouncement by the Church to heal the division and compel you to come home or stay adrift - btw it is not just about ex nihilo but 'simul et ex nihilo' = in an instant, complete and whole out of nothing = no origins evolution necessary or possible - why not have a word with our Catholics experts and specialists, together and united in all the disciplines of theology and science who have long as per Humani Generis discussed, debated and researched together and united - these may be found at The Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation or even see the video/dvd via google at 'Catholic doctrine of Creation'/Sungenis - so come home now - twinc
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twinc said:

the official and traditional Catholic doctrine of creation is as per Catechism at CCC327

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twinc said:

Lateran IV/Council of Cologne/Vatican 1 as correctly interpreted not by individuals but by Catholic experts and specialists as already stated but rejected by individuals with their own individual agendas - twinc

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twinc said:

simul = in an instant - as it will on a certain day in an instant out of nothing thousands of bodies will be created without primates or years of evolution - twinc

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Defensor Christi said:

Well...to be clear, I in no way, shape or form believe that we evolved from Apes...I do believe we (human beings) were created apart from animals. I am not sure you will find too many Catholics that believe we evolved from Apes...

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twinc said:

Catholic doctrine of creation = in an instant out of nothing on each of six 24hr days, complete and fully functioning = no evolution necessary or possible - twinc

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twinc said:

I REPEAT = one man's off the cuff opinion who it seems also stated off the cuff that he accepted evolution since it took millions of years for coal and oil to form and had to be reminded that these could be formed overnight under laboratory conditions and in a few days under field conditions = no more infallible than anyone else = see The Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation = btw via google see recent formation of coal - twinc

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Christiancounseling said:

I do not have issue with an old earth--it does not affect my faith. It does not affect the veracity of Genesis since Genesis is a book hard to understand, with symbols and historical fact all rolled into one.

And I do believe, Humani Generis does tell us to consult the disciplines of science, and true science seeks only truth--empirical truth--and this shows an old earth---what I cannot understand is why it is such an issue for some Christians that maybe, just maybe, God created the universe as science describes?

Literal interpretations of scripture, without allegorical interpretation where needed, leave one in a stuck position which can turn scripture into a science book, which it is not intended to be---the purpose of Genesis was to tell us God created the world, he created Adam and Eve our first parents in a perfect state and they sinned.

And, Ratzinger, is one heck of a theologian, while it is an opinion, it definitely is not an uniformed opinion, but a very high expert in theology

So, ill take what he has to say pretty seriously

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twinc said:

here we go again - going against Church teaching and insisting that we accept what you state is what the Church teaches - the Church does in fact teach creation in 6 x 24hr days - twinc

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Defensor Christi said:

Please cite your source...be specific as you have been proven to be very incorrect in your interpretations thus far...thanks!

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twinc said:

being all mixed up as proven so far it would be fruitless and thank less and you would sgrew it up - so not for you but for others go to John Salza Apologetics and click on Geocentrism and then evolution and search it out and see for yourself and accept - twinc

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twinc said:

alas and sadly adrift and divisive - so come home now - believe it or not Ratzinger is not a scientist and we are not told to consult Ratzinger nor does Ratzinger consult himself but an academy where the members are mostly, it seems Atheists - we are advised and told to consult Catholic experts and specialists qualified in both and all the disciplines of theology and science and these can and maybe found together and united after long discussion and debates and research at The Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation - it is forbidden and anathema to and for Catholics to accept and/or teach 'Origins' evolution - twinc

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twinc said:

as stated and now proved even an answer is no answer - twinc

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hsilgne said:

Church dogma states the following...

We all descend from Adam and Eve.

Adam and Eve were created immortal.

Eve was created FROM Adam.

Original sin caused mankind to become subject to death.

To date, I have not been presented with any argument, whether from a Pope, a theologian, a layman, a scientist, etc, that can reconcile any theory of evolution to these declared Truths.

FTR... I am a relatively recent convert to a YEC worldview. I, like many others(including many on this forum), once refused to entertain the idea of YEC – and also believed the idea to be ludicrous. Now, however, I believe the religion of evolution to be the greatest deception ever concocted by the evil one.


Sources... Humani Generis / Motu proprio, “Praestantia Scripturae” from Pope St. Pius X / The Pontifical Biblical Commission on Genesis of 1909

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