Catholic doctrine of Creation ?

[twinc]

according to the Catechism at CCC282 - Catechesis on creation is of such major importance that the Catholic doctrine of creation as at CCC327 as 'simul et ex nihilo' is unknown and unaccepted by most Catholics or that to teach or accept 'Origins Evolution' is forbidden and anathema to and for Catholics - twinc

 

[Hawkiz]

according to the Catechism at CCC282 - Catechesis on creation is of such major importance that the Catholic doctrine of creation as at CCC327 as 'simul et ex nihilo' is unknown and unaccepted by most Catholics or that to teach or accept 'Origins Evolution' is forbidden and anathema to and for Catholics - twinc

Not certain what exactly your question is here? You had this discussion 4 years ago on a Catholic forum. God created everything out of nothing.

Peace in Christ

 

[Christiancounseling]

God created everything out of nothing---yes, that is the key

I am open to Theistic evolution--started and guided by God, or creationism.

However, I follow very closely Humani Generis and the teachings of the Popes on this matter. I also do not feel the need to debate creationists but I do feel the science points towards the big bang---which was the big bang of our Lord creating SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING

that is the ultimate riddle that science cannot answer---how did nothing become something? They can continue to go back and back and back, as St Thomas calls it, infinite regress, but ultimately, there must be an UNCAUSED CAUSE that started creation which is God

 

[LivingWordUnity]

A must-read book on the subject is 'In the Beginning...' A Catholic Understanding of the Story of Creation and the Fall (Joseph Ratzinger)

 

[Christiancounseling]

Awesome, I will definitely check that out

 

[twinc]

Awesome, I will definitely check that out

it is still only one man's off the cuff opinion - we as Catholics have been rightly advised to consult the Catholic experts and specialists in all the disciplines of theology and science - these can and maybe found together and united at The Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation - twinc

 

[twinc]

A must-read book on the subject is 'In the Beginning...' A Catholic Understanding of the Story of Creation and the Fall (Joseph Ratzinger)

not at all Catholic understanding but just one Catholic's off the cuff understanding and not that of Catholic experts and specialists - twinc

 

[twinc]

God created everything out of nothing---yes, that is the key

I am open to Theistic evolution--started and guided by God, or creationism.

However, I follow very closely Humani Generis and the teachings of the Popes on this matter. I also do not feel the need to debate creationists but I do feel the science points towards the big bang---which was the big bang of our Lord creating SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING

that is the ultimate riddle that science cannot answer---how did nothing become something? They can continue to go back and back and back, as St Thomas calls it, infinite regress, but ultimately, there must be an UNCAUSED CAUSE that started creation which is God

Catholic doctrine of creation = in an instant out of nothing on each of six 24hr days, complete and fully functioning = no evolution necessary or possible - twinc

 

[Mary's Bhoy]

not at all Catholic understanding but just one Catholic's off the cuff understanding and not that of Catholic experts and specialists - twinc

I would be extremely hesitant to describe the contributions of one of the greatest Catholic theologians of the 20th century as being "off the cuff opinion", my friend. The fact is Ratizinger has more theological and philosphical training in his pinky-finger than anyone else at the Kolbe Centre.

I don't have a horse in the race. God created out of nothing. I don't believe in evolution, I don't believe in a young earth. Adam and Eve were truly our first parents, etc. I even go to the Kolbe Center for a lot of their articles. But do not be so arrogant to dismiss a great theologian, the former cardinal prefect for the CDF, Bishop Emeritus of the Roman Church.

Yours in Jesus and Mary,
SCIM.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

it is still only one man's off the cuff opinion - we as Catholics have been rightly advised to consult the Catholic experts and specialists in all the disciplines of theology and science - these can and maybe found together and united at The Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation - twinc

I think that Joseph Ratzinger (who was present at the Vatican II council and considered an expert adviser there, who was the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and who later became Pope Benedict XVI) qualifies as one of the top experts on Catholic theology.

 

[twinc]

I think that Joseph Ratzinger (who was present at the Vatican II council and considered an expert adviser there, who was the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and who later became Pope Benedict XVI) qualifies as one of the top experts on Catholic theology.

I REPEAT = one man's off the cuff opinion who it seems also stated off the cuff that he accepted evolution since it took millions of years for coal and oil to form and had to be reminded that these could be formed overnight under laboratory conditions and in a few days under field conditions = no more infallible than anyone else = see The Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation = btw via google see recent formation of coal - twinc

 

[twinc]

I would be extremely hesitant to describe the contributions of one of the greatest Catholic theologians of the 20th century as being "off the cuff opinion", my friend. The fact is Ratizinger has more theological and philosphical training in his pinky-finger than anyone else at the Kolbe Centre.

I don't have a horse in the race. God created out of nothing. I don't believe in evolution, I don't believe in a young earth. Adam and Eve were truly our first parents, etc. I even go to the Kolbe Center for a lot of their articles. But do not be so arrogant to dismiss a great theologian, the former cardinal prefect for the CDF, Bishop Emeritus of the Roman Church.

Yours in Jesus and Mary,
SCIM.

as Catholics in 'Humani Generis' we are not told to consult Ratzinger but the Catholic experts and specialists not just in theology but in all the disciplines of science and theology - btw who told you to believe in millions of years and not a young earth - twinc

 

[Christiancounseling]

I do not have issue with an old earth--it does not affect my faith. It does not affect the veracity of Genesis since Genesis is a book hard to understand, with symbols and historical fact all rolled into one.

And I do believe, Humani Generis does tell us to consult the disciplines of science, and true science seeks only truth--empirical truth--and this shows an old earth---what I cannot understand is why it is such an issue for some Christians that maybe, just maybe, God created the universe as science describes?

Literal interpretations of scripture, without allegorical interpretation where needed, leave one in a stuck position which can turn scripture into a science book, which it is not intended to be---the purpose of Genesis was to tell us God created the world, he created Adam and Eve our first parents in a perfect state and they sinned.

And, Ratzinger, is one heck of a theologian, while it is an opinion, it definitely is not an uniformed opinion, but a very high expert in theology

So, ill take what he has to say pretty seriously

 

[Christiancounseling]

What happens is we have literal interpretations of scripture that put Christians at odd with true science....one example: Those who believe the earth is still the center of the solar system and the sun revolves around it.

This is the type of nonsense, literalistic extremism can produce

 

[Azureknight 773]

God created everything out of nothing---yes, that is the key

I am open to Theistic evolution--started and guided by God, or creationism.

However, I follow very closely Humani Generis and the teachings of the Popes on this matter. I also do not feel the need to debate creationists but I do feel the science points towards the big bang---which was the big bang of our Lord creating SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING

that is the ultimate riddle that science cannot answer---how did nothing become something? They can continue to go back and back and back, as St Thomas calls it, infinite regress, but ultimately, there must be an UNCAUSED CAUSE that started creation which is God

But didn't the Holy Scriptures say God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. of Gen:1:25? This clearly states that there was no evolution that took place, and this is backed by DNA studies and also archeology as there happens to be no legitimate intermediate fossils that links distinct animals from each other.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I REPEAT = one man's off the cuff opinion who it seems also stated off the cuff that he accepted evolution since it took millions of years for coal and oil to form and had to be reminded that these could be formed overnight under laboratory conditions and in a few days under field conditions = no more infallible than anyone else = see The Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation = btw via google see recent formation of coal - twinc

Can you provide the quote and source of it for Joseph Ratzinger or Pope Benedict XVI saying that so that I can see the context?

 

[ChesterKhan]

I REPEAT = one man's off the cuff opinion who it seems also stated off the cuff that he accepted evolution since it took millions of years for coal and oil to form and had to be reminded that these could be formed overnight under laboratory conditions and in a few days under field conditions = no more infallible than anyone else = see .... = btw via google see recent formation of coal - twinc

Two popes before Benedict also espoused evolution as the most plausible explanation for the origin of the species - but not the human soul; let us be clear about that.

Note that the Holy See has not taken one side or the other on the issue. It is legitimate in the eyes of the bishops and the Church's magisterium to believe evolution, creationism, even instantaneous creation (at least, that was an "off the cuff" comment of Augustine of Hippo's, once).

 

[ebia]

Can you provide the quote and source of it for Joseph Ratzinger or Pope Benedict XVI saying that so that I can see the context?

Indeed. Ratzinger has written quite a bit of this in various places and his reasons seem to be as much theological as because the overall consensus of science points that way, not because of any single bit of evidence.

The idea that his opinion on the matter is "off the cuff" is simply laughable.

 

[twinc]

What happens is we have literal interpretations of scripture that put Christians at odd with true science....one example: Those who believe the earth is still the center of the solar system and the sun revolves around it.

This is the type of nonsense, literalistic extremism can produce

for a Christian and especially a Catholic Christian this is way out, weird and wacky - it seems most Christians still believe that somehow impossibly God/Scripture/Church got it and have it wrong and Galileo right - see www.Galileowaswrong.com and Geocentrism at www.JohnSalza.com - twinc

 

[WisdomTree]

... even instantaneous creation (at least, that was an "off the cuff" comment of Augustine of Hippo's, once).

Yeah, Augustinian Instant Creation for the win!!!

for a Christian and especially a Catholic Christian this is way out, weird and wacky - it seems most Christians still believe that somehow impossibly God/Scripture/Church got it and have it wrong and Galileo right - see www.Galileowaswrong.com and Geocentrism at www.JohnSalza.com - twinc

What on Earth are you on about? Could you possibly try to be more coherent with your writing?