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Originally posted by RufusAtticus
The ages for the wood is about at the upper limit determinable by C-14 dating. I wonder how much confidence the lab placed in their findings.
The radiocarbon (14C) results are listed in Table 1.8 It is immediately evident that there was detectable radiocarbon in all wood samples, so that the laboratories staff had neither hesitation nor difficulties in calculating 14C ages. When subsequently questioned regarding the limits of the analytical method for the radiocarbon and any possibility of contamination, staff at both laboratories (Ph.D. scientists) were readily insistent that the results, with one exception,9 were within the detection limits and therefore provided quotable finite ages!8 Furthermore, they pointed to the almost identical d13C results (last column in Table 1), consistent with the carbon being organic carbon from wood, and indicating no possibility of contamination. So the results in Table 1 are staunchly defended by the laboratories as valid, indicating an age of perhaps 44,00045,500 years for the wood encased in the basalt retrieved from the drill core.
In stark contrast to the age of the wood are the potassium-argon (K-AR) ages of the basalt (see Table 2).8 It is readily apparent that there are significant variations in the results, as evident in the calculated ages of the outcrop 2 sample provided by each laboratory. The problem of obtaining consistently acceptable K-AR ages is also highlighted by the observation that both outcrop and both drill core samples probably represent the same basalt flow in each respective location (hence the calculated average ages in the last column of Table 2.10 The staff of both laboratories (again Ph.D. scientists) defended their analytical results,8,11 and did not hesitate to affirm that these basalt samples are, according to their radioactive K-AR dating, around 45 million years old.
we've had ~300 posts on whether or not a given character is an 8, while the underlying point, that THE ENTIRE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE CHARACTER IN QUESTION IS A PHONETIC SYMBOL, is being ignored.
Originally posted by s0uljah
Morat and Scarletti-
Care to refute this:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/carbon_dating.asp
The amount of cosmic rays penetrating the earths atmosphere affects the amount of 14C produced and therefore dating the system. The amount of cosmic rays reaching the earth varies with the suns activity, and with the earth's passage through magnetic clouds as the solar system travels around the Milky Way galaxy.
The strength of the earths magnetic field affects the amount of cosmic rays entering the atmosphere. A stronger magnetic field deflects more cosmic rays away from the earth. Overall, the energy of the earths magnetic field has been decreasing,[5] so more 14C is being produced now than in the past. This will make old things look older than they really are.
Also, the Genesis flood would have greatly upset the carbon balance. The flood buried a huge amount of carbon, which became coal, oil, etc., lowering the total 12C in the biosphere (including the atmosphereplants regrowing after the flood absorb CO2, which is not replaced by the decay of the buried vegetation). Total 14C is also proportionately lowered at this time, but whereas no terrestrial process generates any more 12C, 14C is continually being produced, and at a rate which does not depend on carbon levels (it comes from nitrogen). Therefore, the 14C/12C ratio in plants/animals/the atmosphere before the flood had to be lower than what it is now.
Unless this effect (which is additional to the magnetic field issue just discussed) were corrected for, carbon dating of fossils formed in the flood would give ages much older than the true ages.
Creationist researchers have suggested that dates of 35,000 - 45,000 years should be re-calibrated to the biblical date of the flood.
Such a re-calibration makes sense of anomalous data from carbon datingfor example, very discordant dates for different parts of a frozen musk ox carcass from Alaska and an inordinately slow rate of accumulation of ground sloth dung pellets in the older layers of a cave where the layers were carbon dated.
Also, volcanoes emit much CO2 depleted in 14C. Since the flood was accompanied by much volcanism, fossils formed in the early post-flood period would give radiocarbon ages older than they really are.
In summary, the carbon-14 method, when corrected for the effects of the flood, can give useful results, but needs to be applied carefully. It does not give dates of millions of years and when corrected properly fits well with the biblical flood.
Originally posted by seebs
I don't think he's scared... but from my personal experience, the amount of time and effort it takes to show the problems with AiG material is simply not worth it. e.g., we've had ~300 posts on whether or not a given character is an 8, while the underlying point, that THE ENTIRE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE CHARACTER IN QUESTION IS A PHONETIC SYMBOL, is being ignored.
Originally posted by Morat
That was the thread you utterly abandoned after being shown that either 'ji' or 'ba' was suitable (depending on the style of writing), which implies the "eight" bit wasn't all that important, and when Karlgren's etymology clearly showed it was "marsh at the foot of the hills" for the phonetic.
Or did you quit the thread when we got into the character for 'create' which is completely indefensible? I can't remember...
Originally posted by Sky
What are you talking about?What does this have to do with carbon dating or the age of the earth?
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