Can't support Bush anymore

[I <3 Abraham]

Evidently not.

Alright, I'll bite: Tell me oh economic Socrates, what is the CPI?

Also, I'll be as snotty as I want till you give me a link, a couple names of 2nd tier
schools you may or may not have attended doesn't cut it.

 

[parousia70]

And when did President Bush respond?

Is this the response you refer to?



2005/08/27
Governor Kathleen Blanco
Governor Kathleen Blanco request federal assistance from President Bush. Note: Although this document is dated Aug. 28 Larry Johnson writes that it was actually published on Lexis Nexis and delivered to Bush on Sat. Aug. 27.

Bush declares a state of emergency. However, Bush's disaster declaration mysteriously omits the Parishes most at risk, including Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines. These omissions are particularly odd since Gov Blanco's Disaster Relief Request, to which President Bush was responding specifically states that the Parishes expected to receive major damage were - Ascension, Assumption, Jefferson, Lafourche, Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, St Charles, St James, St Tammany, Tagipahoa, Terrebone and Washington - all of which are in the southeast corner of the state.

So, He responded immediatly, but inadaquately.

Which should support your apparant position that the when matters more than the how.

 

[PACKY]

After many, many weeks of debating in my mind, I've come to a conclusion about our President: he stinks. Sorry to everyone that I voted for the guy. Politics aside, you just needed to watch Bush when he first hit the ground in Mississippi all 'ums' and 'uhs' to see the guy just isn't leadership material. But its not just that, that was just the straw that broke the camels back. His slander of the Minutemen, super-failure to do anything about our fuel crisis, endorsing renewal of the Patriot Act.......the list goes on. (Iraq isn't really that big a sore point for me, but thats for another topic.) As a Republican who voted for Bush, I feel obligated to continue to support the person I elected, but as a man, I have to call a spade a spade, swallow the pride and agree with what so many -even, God forgive me, Michael Moore-have said: Bush is the wrong man to be President. Now, I'll take all the 'I told you so's' from the Dems and the Left, I've made my bed and I will lie in it so fire away. Voting for Bush was a foolish move on my part, but I'd be even more of a fool if I kept supporting him. The writings on the wall with Bush, how ironic so many of the predominantly Chrisitian GOP can't read it. Just how far into hell are you people going to follow this guy?

BTW, taking down the Elephant icon. Posted this here instead of the GOP forums so non-Repubs could respond if they wanted too without worrying about being reported. I also encourage other Bush supporters to seriously re-think their position and ask themselves if they are just letting pride keep them hanging on. What's he doing thats so great, show me just one thing that he has done that is worthy of the deep devotion and defense he gets? Not being a liberal or a Democrat doesn't seem to quite cut it anymore.

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[DieHappy]

After many, many weeks of debating in my mind, I've come to a conclusion about our President: he stinks. Sorry to everyone that I voted for the guy. Politics aside, you just needed to watch Bush when he first hit the ground in Mississippi all 'ums' and 'uhs' to see the guy just isn't leadership material. But its not just that, that was just the straw that broke the camels back. His slander of the Minutemen, super-failure to do anything about our fuel crisis, endorsing renewal of the Patriot Act.......the list goes on. (Iraq isn't really that big a sore point for me, but thats for another topic.) As a Republican who voted for Bush, I feel obligated to continue to support the person I elected, but as a man, I have to call a spade a spade, swallow the pride and agree with what so many -even, God forgive me, Michael Moore-have said: Bush is the wrong man to be President. Now, I'll take all the 'I told you so's' from the Dems and the Left, I've made my bed and I will lie in it so fire away. Voting for Bush was a foolish move on my part, but I'd be even more of a fool if I kept supporting him. The writings on the wall with Bush, how ironic so many of the predominantly Chrisitian GOP can't read it. Just how far into hell are you people going to follow this guy?

BTW, taking down the Elephant icon. Posted this here instead of the GOP forums so non-Repubs could respond if they wanted too without worrying about being reported. I also encourage other Bush supporters to seriously re-think their position and ask themselves if they are just letting pride keep them hanging on. What's he doing thats so great, show me just one thing that he has done that is worthy of the deep devotion and defense he gets? Not being a liberal or a Democrat doesn't seem to quite cut it anymore.

Wow, this thread moved fast! Maybe I'll find time later to come back and help defend 12 volt man, since he's absolutely right and I can't give him more rep.

Bush didn't slander the minute men, he just ignored them. I agree that they need support and Bush needs to do something about our borders, but weigh the good and the bad. Borders and spending, bad. Not being a democrat, good.

What was he supposed to do about the "fuel crisis"? Considering it's not a crisis and any governement body doing anything would just make it worse, what do you suggest? He managed to push through drilling in ANWR and temporarily roll back a few restrictions so that the midwest can build another refinery or two. Besides just annexing Iraq as our 51st state and dumping Puerto Riso, I'm not sure he could do more.

Patriot act is a good thing. There is not one instance that it has infringed on the privacy of anyone. Not one. Stop worrying about nothing.

Now a question: would Kerry be better? Consider two supreme court vacancies, 9-11, Katrina, and then try to think of what shape we'd be in with him. Don't regret your vote and don't let your emotions cloud your judgement.

 

[12volt_man]

Please cite your source for the Senate Democrats confirming Brown to the position he just resigned from.

In Fact, Brown was NEVER confirmed by the Senate for His position as Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness & Response.

The Homeland Security Act allowed GWB to install him in that position without having to face Senate Confirmation.

Well, that's interesting, since he was confirmed in June of 2002, and the Homeland Security Act wasn't passed until November of that year.

 

[PACKY]

Wow, this thread moved fast! Maybe I'll find time later to come back and help defend 12 volt man, since he's absolutely right and I can't give him more rep.

Bush didn't slander the minute men, he just ignored them. I agree that they need support and Bush needs to do something about our borders, but weigh the good and the bad. Borders and spending, bad. Not being a democrat, good.

What was he supposed to do about the "fuel crisis"? Considering it's not a crisis and any governement body doing anything would just make it worse, what do you suggest? He managed to push through drilling in ANWR and temporarily roll back a few restrictions so that the midwest can build another refinery or two. Besides just annexing Iraq as our 51st state and dumping Puerto Riso, I'm not sure he could do more.

Patriot act is a good thing. There is not one instance that it has infringed on the privacy of anyone. Not one. Stop worrying about nothing.

Now a question: would Kerry be better? Consider two supreme court vacancies, 9-11, Katrina, and then try to think of what shape we'd be in with him. Don't regret your vote and don't let your emotions cloud your judgement.

maybe if people repeat this enough times in front of a mirror they may just start to beleive it.....

 

[blueapplepaste]

Yet another example of liberals not holding themselves to the same standard they hold others to.

And you are the prime example of conservatives not holding themselves to the same standard they hold others to.

 

[12volt_man]

You conviently neglected to mention when you say, "Bush, makes the very same claims in good faith, based on the same information and wages war, based on the authority given him by Congress, but he is an evil liar" that he waged war based on purposely perpetuated faulty evidence.

Yes, in much the same way that I conveniently neglected to mention that the moon is made of green cheese.

 

[12volt_man]

And you are the prime example of conservatives not holding themselves to the same standard they hold others to.

And what standard is this?

 

[DieHappy]

maybe if people repeat this enough times in front of a mirror they may just start to beleive it.....

I hope so. There's a really good reason Churchill said what he said. Facts can cut through the fog of feel-good pandering and make the right choice clear.

 

[breezynosacek]

I will stick by my President. I will continue to pray for him. And if he could run again, I would vote for him again.

Having said that, I believe that no matter which side I vote for, it will eventually end up in the same place. A One World Religion, A One World Government, An AntiChrist and a bunch of deluded idiots that are all for it. Why? Because the Bible tells me so!

I will, as a Christian, continue to vote for a President that is pro-life, against manufacturing humans, against using fetal tissue to experiment with cures for diseases mostly brought on by sin and the FDA. I will continue to vote for a President that believes in the Sanctity of a husband and wife marriage.

I don't care too awfully much what other nations think of us because the majority of other nations have left sense and sanity and followed New Age and Islam so of course right there they are automatically on the other side of the fence regardless of politics.

 

[12volt_man]

Don't regret your vote and don't let your emotions cloud your judgement.

maybe if people repeat this enough times in front of a mirror they may just start to beleive it.....

I agree with both of you.

We live in a point and click, three minute microwaved baked potato culture.

We demand instant gratification and sometimes, the payoff is not immediate.

Look at it this way: Do you want to judge the success of WWII on the first six months of that war?

We suffered a horrendous defeat at Pearl Harbor, one that we were in no way prepared to fight.

Wake Island was captured within a week and was such a blowout that the Marines, for the first time in their history, were forced to surrender.

Our first three naval battles were disasters.

We came very close to losing the Solomons and even when we did take them, we only held on to them by the skin of our teeth.

Thank God that we didn't have the same mindset then that we do today.

Now, one piece of legislation fails: We're doomed!

One car bomb: We're all going to die!

One bad situation: I give up!

Folks, our problems did not spring up overnight and they will not be solve overnight.

Nothing good ever came easy and nothing worth holding onto ever came without a fight.

The 12volt_man in me says, "if your attitude is to leave when the going gets tough, then leave". The Ronald Reagan in me says, "when the going gets tough, the tough get going".

When I played football at my little "second tier school" we had a sign over the lockerroom door that said, "If it is to be, it's up to me".

Don't leave. Don't cry. Get in there and fight for what you believe in.

 

[HumbleMan]

Don't leave. Don't cry. Get in there and fight for what you believe in.

I am, since I believe this country can do better than Bush and Co, Kerry, Gore, McCain, Moore, Peroutka, and the rest of the career politicians either currently in office or seeking such.

 

[12volt_man]

I am, since I believe this country can do better than Bush and Co, Kerry, Gore, McCain, Moore, Peroutka, and the rest of the career politicians either currently in office or seeking such.

OK. Name me a candidate and tell me three things that he's done or believes that you believe would make him a better president than George W. Bush.

 

[Percy]

What has he done that's "so selfish"?

His whole presidency has been orientated around protecting the rich and his mates oil interests

Really? Can you give us an example of this?

He treats the UN as an American tool rather than a democratic body.

Most of my portfolio is in tech stocks, pharmeceuticals and communication. I am a true Christian and I voted for him.

How is it that you, who is not a Christian, feel qualified to dictate to us who is or who is not a "true Christian"?

Sorry I did not intend to dictate to anyone. But I do know a lot about Christianity I just lack faith.

I just want a friendly debate here, sorry if i've wound u up.

Percy.

 

[12volt_man]

Sorry I did not intend to dictate to anyone. But I do know a lot about Christianity I just lack faith.

I just want a friendly debate here, sorry if i've wound u up.

Percy.

Your PM to me seemed pretty friendly, so I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but do you understand why some of us would find your statements a little offensive?

 

[christalee4]

I will stick by my President. I will continue to pray for him. And if he could run again, I would vote for him again.

Having said that, I believe that no matter which side I vote for, it will eventually end up in the same place. A One World Religion, A One World Government, An AntiChrist and a bunch of deluded idiots that are all for it. Why? Because the Bible tells me so!

I will, as a Christian, continue to vote for a President that is pro-life, against manufacturing humans, against using fetal tissue to experiment with cures for diseases mostly brought on by sin and the FDA. I will continue to vote for a President that believes in the Sanctity of a husband and wife marriage.

Didn't you contradict yourself twice? I bolded your statement that says that you believe it doesn't matter which party you vote for, you still feel that either candidate could be the anti-Christ. Who is to say that Bush is not the anti-Christ? His party takes in money from pornographers, and VP Cheney's daughter is gay, as well as many other Republicans. If you truly want more sincere, conservative fundamentalist Christian morality in politics, I would go with the Constitution Party.

 

[christalee4]

DieHappy: "Bush didn't slander the minute men, he just ignored them. I agree that they need support and Bush needs to do something about our borders, but weigh the good and the bad...."

The issue of immigration is a key one, for people in both parties. I will tell you that Bush and his particular crew will never do anything significant about immigration reform, even as it relates to our national security. The reason is that their key philosophy is about supporting big business - hiring illegals, guest workers, outsourcing jobs keeps wages down, keeps costs down, makes more bucks for richer people. Look what Bush did about removing prevailing wage rules in rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina - now the contractors can hire some cheap Honduran labor for $7-$9 per hour, instead of paying an American man a more liveable wage of $15-20 per hour, so that he can feed his family. Is this the direction you want your country to go in - the flow of illegals is NOT being stopped, and they are coming in by the thousands.

 

[parousia70]

Well, that's interesting, since he was confirmed in June of 2002, and the Homeland Security Act wasn't passed until November of that year.

So What's your point?

He wasn't confirmed as Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness & Response in June of 2002, yet the Homeland Security Act passed in November allowed GWB to install him into that position in 2003 without having to face Senate Confirmation for that position.

Your inplication that the Senate actually Confirmed Brown as Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness & Response, the position he resigned from, and the position folks on this thread have blamed the President alone for installing him to, is false.

He was NEVER confirmed by the Senate for that position.

 

[12volt_man]

So What's your point?

My point was that he could not have been appointed under the Homeland Security Act because the Homeland Security Act didn't exist.

He wasn't confirmed as Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness & Response in June of 2002,

Yes. June, 2002.

Your inplication that the Senate actually Confirmed Brown as Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness & Response, the position he resigned from, and the position folks on this thread have blamed the President alone for installing him to, is false.

He was NEVER confirmed by the Senate for that position.

Well then, there you go.