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Can you prove to me I have a soul?

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You will not ACT on the truth unless you believe it!

Until you believe the theory of gravity, you will not build an aeroplane.
So if I don't believe in gravity it'll allow me to forgo it completly and fly? The truth is always true regardless if anyone knows it or not.
 
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So if I don't believe in gravity it'll allow me to forgo it completly and fly? The truth is always true regardless if anyone knows it or not.
The truth is also true if someone who wishes it weren't true denies it.
 
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you don't have a soul, you are a soul, you have a body... quoting C.S lewis there but he speaks on good authority. psychologically speaking, from what i have read and discussed with psychology students a 'soul' is one of the best ways to describe free will. If you dont have a soul every thing you do is mechanical, not by your choice but how your chemicals or training make you act, this is a different issue from believing in an eternal soul.
 
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Right now I don't think "the soul" exists. I think that we are entirly made up of physical components, and that when we die that it, we rot in the ground.

Can you then show me that I have a soul? I've never seen it, or felt it, and it cannot be measured with electronic equipment like other things I've never seen(my brain for instance). Where is this "soul"?

No, I can't prove it.

I think it's the best explanation. If you'd rather talk about it as an epiphenomenal property of your brain function, you could do that too, and it might not be far off.

However, I think the tests you propose are begging the question. If people hypothesize a non-material thing, demanding material evidence of it seems sort of like missing the point.
 
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IMHO for things to exist there has to be mass involved. forces have exchange particles and youre emotions are linked to your brain which has neurons and neuro transmitters. everything that exist deals with mass, to my knowledge.
However the soul doesn't have mass and cant be detected. By my definition it doesn't exist (is that cheating? using my own definition.)
In fact, by my definition its impossible to prove that any religious constructs exist, god, heaven etc.
does anyone disagree with my definition?
 
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IMHO for things to exist there has to be mass involved. forces have exchange particles and youre emotions are linked to your brain which has neurons and neuro transmitters. everything that exist deals with mass, to my knowledge.
However the soul doesn't have mass and cant be detected. By my definition it doesn't exist (is that cheating? using my own definition.)
In fact, by my definition its impossible to prove that any religious constructs exist, god, heaven etc.
does anyone disagree with my definition?
I think, therfor I AM :p
 
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IMHO for things to exist there has to be mass involved. forces have exchange particles and youre emotions are linked to your brain which has neurons and neuro transmitters. everything that exist deals with mass, to my knowledge.
However the soul doesn't have mass and cant be detected. By my definition it doesn't exist (is that cheating? using my own definition.)
In fact, by my definition its impossible to prove that any religious constructs exist, god, heaven etc.
does anyone disagree with my definition?
so you are essentially saying that you're a fatalist, however you can't just ignore the idea of intentional-ism and free will, any decision that is not a direct result of the material inputs a person receives cannot be explained, im talking about arbitrary almost random small acts, although on the surface insignificant they show some level of will not linked to the materialist psychology of determinism
 
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Prove to you you have a soul...hmmm....acually this is quite complecated to tell the truth! I'll do my best anyways. I believe that a human is made up of te body, spirit, and soul. Lets just say that your soul is possesing your body in a way. your spirit is your life, with every breth you breath the spirit is at work. your body does rot away, but your soul is a whole other story. It goes to heaven or hell, depends of your deeds. See, it cannot be tested by any epuitment, but there is a way that you can get out of your body and go around the universe with your soul, then come back. I don't recoment it though, it is occult. If you could see the spiritual word for a few seconds, you to see how much beings are around you at all times. Angels, demons and all kinds of other spirits. You do have a soul. I would recomend what I told you about erlier about leaving your body, but demons come back for you when you come back. I would not do it. Sometimes Angels or demons come into the physical world, you cacn feel them, sometimes see them.
 
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Prove to you you have a soul...hmmm....acually this is quite complecated to tell the truth! I'll do my best anyways. I believe that a human is made up of te body, spirit, and soul. Lets just say that your soul is possesing your body in a way. your spirit is your life, with every breth you breath the spirit is at work. your body does rot away, but your soul is a whole other story. It goes to heaven or hell, depends of your deeds. See, it cannot be tested by any epuitment, but there is a way that you can get out of your body and go around the universe with your soul, then come back. I don't recoment it though, it is occult. If you could see the spiritual word for a few seconds, you to see how much beings are around you at all times. Angels, demons and all kinds of other spirits. You do have a soul. I would recomend what I told you about erlier about leaving your body, but demons come back for you when you come back. I would not do it. Sometimes Angels or demons come into the physical world, you cacn feel them, sometimes see them.
There's Scripture that does say Jesus, and us in Him are accompanies by a GREAT host of angels! :XD

Hebrews 12:22-26

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: 26Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
 
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Right now I don't think "the soul" exists. I think that we are entirly made up of physical components, and that when we die that it, we rot in the ground.

Can you then show me that I have a soul? I've never seen it, or felt it, and it cannot be measured with electronic equipment like other things I've never seen(my brain for instance). Where is this "soul"?


The soul is the bit that is missing when the body dies. If you have ever seen the body of a person you know, you will know that something has gone. And if you have ever lived through grief, and found consolation in memories of the person who has died, it is aspects of their soul you are remembering about them.

Just as their memory lives on in you, so their soul lives on with God.
 
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IMHO for things to exist there has to be mass involved. forces have exchange particles and youre emotions are linked to your brain which has neurons and neuro transmitters. everything that exist deals with mass, to my knowledge.
However the soul doesn't have mass and cant be detected. By my definition it doesn't exist (is that cheating? using my own definition.)
In fact, by my definition its impossible to prove that any religious constructs exist, god, heaven etc.
does anyone disagree with my definition?

Well explain demons(which do exist) Angels, and the Holy Spirit. Speaking in togues for one. My friend(age 11) speaks in togues. He speaks a confusng language like none on Earth, and he speaks it so fast i know its impossible for him to be faking it. Explain prophecy, explain visions, explain people seeing angels and demons. i can explain all these things right now. Speaking in togues is when you speak, or rather the Holy Spirit speaks through you during prayer.Praying to God through his own language what could be better. Prophecy, is when the Holy Spirit speaks god's own words through your mouth, in your language, about what will happen in the future, and sometimes who in the buiding has no clean heart. Visions are whne God grants people to see the future with their own eyes, and sometimes the spiritul world. People seeing angels does not happen often, but it usually happens to encouage the faith of people. seeing demons happens when demons get angry about something you do. i have a handful of demonic stories that i can tell you, some experienced by me. Still unexplained. Anything that exists in the physical plane is what requiers matter to exist. The Spiritsual plane is a WHOLE other story. It would be almost the opposite as requireing matter to see it. Sometimes demons and angels come into the physical plane, sometimes in their origional form, sometimes in changed form, sometimes with physical bodys too.
 
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Well explain demons(which do exist) Angels, and the Holy Spirit. Speaking in togues for one. My friend(age 11) speaks in togues. He speaks a confusng language like none on Earth, and he speaks it so fast i know its impossible for him to be faking it. Explain prophecy, explain visions, explain people seeing angels and demons. i can explain all these things right now. Speaking in togues is when you speak, or rather the Holy Spirit speaks through you during prayer.Praying to God through his own language what could be better. Prophecy, is when the Holy Spirit speaks god's own words through your mouth, in your language, about what will happen in the future, and sometimes who in the buiding has no clean heart. Visions are whne God grants people to see the future with their own eyes, and sometimes the spiritul world. People seeing angels does not happen often, but it usually happens to encouage the faith of people. seeing demons happens when demons get angry about something you do. i have a handful of demonic stories that i can tell you, some experienced by me. Still unexplained. Anything that exists in the physical plane is what requiers matter to exist. The Spiritsual plane is a WHOLE other story. It would be almost the opposite as requireing matter to see it. Sometimes demons and angels come into the physical plane, sometimes in their origional form, sometimes in changed form, sometimes with physical bodys too.
You'd have to show me that all of those things exist before I'd have to explain it, but that is not a topic for this board.
 
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Right now I don't think "the soul" exists. I think that we are entirly made up of physical components, and that when we die that it, we rot in the ground.

Can you then show me that I have a soul? I've never seen it, or felt it, and it cannot be measured with electronic equipment like other things I've never seen(my brain for instance). Where is this "soul"?

I believe your soul is your personality, who you are.

Without a soul, you'd be an empty shell.
 
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Since the soul and spirit are immaterial we cannot find physical evidence to prove them. Instead we look at evidence of their functions in human beings. I understand that the conscience and a sense of morality, the desire to worship, the desire to find beauty and meaning in life (as you are expressing with this thread) which are found in all people groups are evidence for the immaterial and eternal part of mankind. To try to explain these things by looking to the physical sciences would not prove anything either way.
 
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