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Trying an experiment to have more community here in this forum, I was curious if everyone here would be able to list something about every religion they encounter - be it here on the board or elsewhere - and note what it is that they appreciate about it. We're all part of a global neighborhood as MLK says...
Martin Luther King said it best when noting that all life is interrelated. THere's an excellent article on the issue entitled All Life is Interrelated.
As Martin Luther King Jr. wrote in his sermon Where Do We Go From Here:
And seeing how interdependent we are, I was wanting to see if others in this forum could recognize how much we're all interconnected ...and discuss how that plays out practically when seeing all of the ways things have been difficult in the world.
Specifically, rather than note what it is that you do not appreciate about another religion - including those we may be at odds with - I wanted to see how much there can be growth in being neighbors who understand how to still find valuable things in other people we may find ourselves at odds with.
We can change a lot when we actually have conversation, even when we strongly disagree. So if you can name 2 to 3 things about each religion you've encountered/debated with, cool. Again, it often seems we are so quick to discuss what we do not like that we end up not even knowing how to see the things that are special about all of us - and before any religious stance, we're human beings first and foremost. And truly diverse. One can see that in the sheer amount of variations in those who are Black alone
And for some examples just to inspire,
Faces of East & Southern Africa
Faces of Cambodia
Faces of Myanmar
And to be clear, some of what follows has been shared before regarding my own appreciation for differing religions and what they contribute, as seen here:
Martin Luther King said it best when noting that all life is interrelated. THere's an excellent article on the issue entitled All Life is Interrelated.
As Martin Luther King Jr. wrote in his sermon Where Do We Go From Here:
All men are interdependent. Every nation is an heir of a vast treasury of ideas and labor to which both the living and the dead of all nations have contributed.
We are everlasting debtors to known and unknown men and women. When we arise in the morning, we go into the bathroom where we reach for a sponge which is provided for us by a Pacific islander. We reach for a soap that is created by a European. Then at the table we drink coffee which is provided for us by a South American, or tea by a Chinese or cocoa by a west African. Before we leave for our jobs we are already beholden to more than half the world
.We are inevitably our brothers keeper, because we are our brothers brother. Whatever affects one directly affects all indirectly.
And seeing how interdependent we are, I was wanting to see if others in this forum could recognize how much we're all interconnected ...and discuss how that plays out practically when seeing all of the ways things have been difficult in the world.
Specifically, rather than note what it is that you do not appreciate about another religion - including those we may be at odds with - I wanted to see how much there can be growth in being neighbors who understand how to still find valuable things in other people we may find ourselves at odds with.
We can change a lot when we actually have conversation, even when we strongly disagree. So if you can name 2 to 3 things about each religion you've encountered/debated with, cool. Again, it often seems we are so quick to discuss what we do not like that we end up not even knowing how to see the things that are special about all of us - and before any religious stance, we're human beings first and foremost. And truly diverse. One can see that in the sheer amount of variations in those who are Black alone
And for some examples just to inspire,
Faces of East & Southern Africa
Faces of Cambodia
Faces of Myanmar
And to be clear, some of what follows has been shared before regarding my own appreciation for differing religions and what they contribute, as seen here:
For anyone interested,
Came across this excellent presentation that really stood out to me called The Christ Connection: How the World Religions Prepared the Way for the Phenomenon of Jesus
For another excellent chart which helps to break things down...
Amazing presentation on what Christ has to offer to the rest of the world...
Came across this excellent map on the issue of world religions. It is in the form of a tree that shows the intersections of nearly every major religion in the world/their respective off-shoots. With the tree, the roots of the tree are automatically going to far back into time - the farthest we can go being based on how much we're aware of - many speculating that world religions really started to begin in the era of Noah after the Flood and the Tower of Babel (from which Nimrod arose to change the shape of the world after establishing Babylon alongside the worship of Ishtar and others - with his system of worship impacting the worship given before the Lord even into the time of Abraham).
Of course, we'll only be able to see once we're in heaven the full scope of history. Till then, we can know for certain that religions have always intersected - and for myself, being a believer in God/Christ, my view is that those following the Lord are impacted at every turn when it comes to the history of God's people....
In addition to that, for anyone from a theistic perspective wanting to have a basis for knowing how and where things may have merged, it's interesting examining the Abrahamic faith (beginning in Genesis 12 and Genesis 11 - continued from Genesis 4 from the era where men around the world simply called on the name of the Lord universally - global consciousness of Theism and belief in One God as the way) t....that is the root of many of the world religions and what sprung from them in their own spheres.
What's interesting about the maps, considering that they do a good job showing everything interconnected, is that much of this goes alongside the view of how God truly does work in the complexities of other religions.
As another noted best (for a brief excerpt) in Can God improvise outside the boundaries of Christian orthodoxy? - Patheos:
Some Christians would say that in order for Christianity to be uniquely right, we have to believe that Buddhism, Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism, Ba’hai, and everything else besides Judaism and Christianity are the entirely false products of demons who have deliberately misled billions of people in order to consign them to an eternity in hell. On the opposite end of the spectrum would be those who say that God has reached out to each culture using a different story and Christianity is just one way of framing the mystery of God among many other equally valid possibilities. ...I think Christianity is the most beautiful story about God, but I don’t think other stories about the mystery of existence, theistic or otherwise, lack important wisdom and truth that I can learn from.....One of my most fundamental presumptions about God is that God is a pragmatist who meets people where they are. That’s what God did with the Israelites for thousands of years. In the age of tribal deities, God allowed Israel to treat him like a tribal deity. God accommodated their needs as a people every step of the way, even acquiescing to give them a king when the plan had originally been for God to be their only king (1 Samuel 8). Just about every king that Israel had was corrupt in some way or another, but God went along with it and used his prophets to put a check on the kings’ power. God revealed himself more fully to Israel over time, ultimately showing them through the prophets that he didn’t just exist for the sake of Israel but that he cares about all the people int he world. Certainly there were a lot of wicked things that Israel did that God didn’t go along with, but he was infinitely patient with them and willing to communicate with them in a way that was coherent to their cultural context. If God was such a pragmatist with Israel, it doesn’t make any sense to me that he would be entirely aloof to the ancient people of India or Malaysia or anywhere else. The apostle Paul makes the claim in Romans 1:19 that all humanity has always had knowledge of God. This doesn’t mean that every culture has grasped God equally. But the Hindu Upanishads and the Koran are not entirely without truth. In fact, they do teach many of the same basic virtues that are found in Christianity, though their theological systems are completely different. So the fact that there are many truths to be found in other religions says to me that they must have received some kind of revelation from the mysterious entity we call God.
I think that God is a pragmatist with individuals just like he is with cultures. I don’t think God folds his arms and shuts off people who have unorthodox beliefs, but he tries to put the people and circumstances in their lives that will help them overcome the stumbling blocks in the unique spiritual journey that they’re on. The problem with heresy is not that God punishes or rewards people in a mechanistic fashion for their incorrect beliefs. Heresy is bad because it creates obstacles to the fullness of our encounter with God; our diminished image of God is the “punishment” for our incorrect belief.........If I’ve got an inadequate understanding of Jesus’ cross or the nature of scripture or the moral frailty of humanity, it keeps me from going as deep as I could with God. .....at the same time, I don’t think God is passively waiting for us to believe the right things about him in order to grow close to him. I believe that God is constantly improvising and revealing insights that help us get closer to him from where we are, even if we’ve hit our theological golf ball way off the fairway into a sand-trap somewhere. And I’ve also seen people with unorthodox beliefs being used powerfully by God. One of the most spiritually attuned people I’ve ever known could not believe in the physical resurrection of Christ and didn’t go into ordained ministry as a result, but that did not keep this person from experiencing amazing intimacy with God and mentoring dozens of others.
I thought it was very relevant what he noted - as it concerns the Global Work of the Holy Spirit in all religions. Some of this goes back to what was noted elsewhere before on the work of the Holy Spirit, as seen here for reference:
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