No in other words you do not chose what you want but what someone else wants.[QUOTE said:
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Perhaps at that time. Perhaps the next time it will be one of the other things you want most.
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No in other words you do not chose what you want but what someone else wants.[QUOTE said:TeddyKGB]In other words, I want to do for them more than I want to do for me.
[/QUOTE]And I choose the one I want more?
But I do that because I want to help them or make them happy, right?elman said:No in other words you do not chose what you want but what someone else wants.
I can want only one thing most, right?Perhaps at that time. Perhaps the next time it will be one of the other things you want most.
TeddyKGB said:But I do that because I want to help them or make them happy, right?
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Maybe or perhaps just because you see they have a need and you sympathize with them
At any one time in order for you to chose something, you must chose it over the other options. That is how making a choice works.
Because I want to?elman said:Maybe or perhaps just because you see they have a need and you sympathize with them
I get that. What we need to figure out is why we choose what we choose.At any one time in order for you to chose something, you must chose it over the other options. That is how making a choice works.
No you might not want to sympathize with them but you do it because it is the right thing to do.QUOTE=TeddyKGB]Because I want to?
[/QUOTE]I get that. What we need to figure out is why we choose what we choose.
Matty1919 said:...IMO psychologically your characteristics (which will determine whether you accept Christ or not) are determined by the most important factor A: your environment and B: genetics right? We cannot control to whom we are born so we therefore can't control A nor B right? So then how can God be fair or just by really predetermining our fate?...
Matty1919 said:...BTW I love this thing meant to represent Atheists . Thanks for the respect....
Interesting questions... Humans seem to be genetically predisposed to adopt some sort of sprituality, but not any particular one. I would guess it's likely that a person who was extremely religious in one social group would be so in another. We see a little of that when evangelical Christians become evangelical atheists and try to covert others to their persuasion. Sometimes it gets a bit annoying...JGL53 said:...E.g., if Billy Graham (or the present Pope) had not been wanted by their parents for some reason and were given to either Hindus (Vedantists) or Shiite Muslins as babies, to be raised in India or Iran, respectively? What are the chances either of them would have become Christians one day? Most likely they would have accepted the religion or philosophy of their adopted parents and adopted society. So whence fairness and justice? Or are those concepts important?
It means what you want it to mean. I take it as something neutral, myself.Well, if they are saying that atheists are brainy and smart then, yeah, that seems respectful, even flattering. But if they are implying that atheists are "all head and no heart" - then maybe not so much either.
xAtheistx said:You're referring to philosophical hedonism.
(States that any decision you make is due to the pursuit of pleasure.)
elman said:Not too scary because we make choices all the time that is not going to produce the most pleasure for us and we know it.
rstrats said:sjstudy,
re: "...I believe that we can choose what we believe..."
As I have asked others - with no responsive replies BTW - what is it that you do that allows you to say, "OK, at this moment I believe that x does not exist, but I CHOOSE to believe that x exists and now instantly at this new moment I do believe that x exists ? How do you do it? How do you make the instantaneous transition from one state of belief to another?
rstrats said:Clarphimous,
re: "I think this thread would go a lot easier if we wrote the question in different words."
"Can we choose what we believe? can be better phrased as Is it possible to delude ourselves?"
That would limit the belief to things that are contrary to fact. It would exclude those beliefs that are involved with reality.
Can you chose the outside factor? Can you chose to read or not read, watch or not watch, go to a particular conference of not? Why would you think we have no control simply because we are subject to being influenced by outside factors? Do you have any control at all over how you spend your time?sjstudy said:O0ooo . An outside factor has to influence you into believe. So it really isn't you who controls it. Because you cannot just change your beliefs instantly. I get it. Is that what your saying? If it is it makes sense. How could it be in my control if I require an outside factor and cant instantly change my beliefs on my own. Hmm
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