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It doesnt say anything positive about people with dark skin either .does this make racism acceptable to you?
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It doesnt say anything positive about people with dark skin either .does this make racism acceptable to you?Have you noticed anything positive in the scripture about homosexuality? No one has ever answered that question.
Its easy to agree about the truthIsnt that cute. That pagan and a lot of the liberal Christians on this forum seem to be in agreement an awful lot.
Just because you cant respond the points made by Wiccan_Child is no reason for him or anyone else to excluded form the discussion.To answer your question, I dont expect you to hang on every word, but I do believe the Bible and believe in Jesus so I am qualified to enter the debate, just like you. However, someone who disregards my Savior as someone no more real than Bugs Bunny, is hardly someone ANY Christian should receive advice from about the fictious Jesus.
[1 Corinthians 6:8-10]
8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
The bible is clear but the truth is not going to set well with the lovers of darkness.
It doesn’t say anything positive about people with dark skin either….does this make racism acceptable to you?
The Bible is very clear when you are using Its FULL COUNSEL. God does not author confusion. It's clear. Folks just don't want to accept it.
I'm not at all deterred from dealing with God's truth for the sake of being called discriminatory. The same measure is applied to the committing of homosexual acts as is applied to the false doctrines of Islam, Jehovah's Witnesses and others.
Only some Christians advance the cause of discrimination. a god many of us reject such things and follow the command of JesusThe club is EXCLUSIVE. And Jesus Christ holds the key. And if by His standard of truth it appears that Christians are discriminating, then so be it.
Obviously you didn’t do as I suggested.If the Black acts were identified in God's Word as wrong, I would point out that wrong too.
And what's with the "attack" language? Who has been attacked? I asked a question.
The point being that they are not identified in God’s word.How is pointing out that the committing of homosexual acts as wrong as identified in Gods Word an attack?
But this is what you are doingNow you know you need to stop.Why would God give you His Word if you got to pick and choose which parts are relevant? He could have kept ALL of it if you would be allowed to do this.
So tell me do you shave? accept people into your church who wear glasses? Eat all manner of seafood? Wear poly cotton blends? Own slaves? Practice animal sacrifice? Murder disobedient children? or have you decided that certain parts of His Word were only relevant to the time period in which they were written?A God of order does not intend for His children to wallow in confusion. And that's exactly what would happen if every person got to decide that certain parts of His Word were only relevant to the time period in which they were written.
It is good for a man to not touch a woman 1 Cor. 7:1You have taken your stance on this issue and infused it into Paul's response and made PAul to be saying something that he was not saying.
1) When a verse specifically condemns homosexuality in black words on white paper, you dont believe it. Such as...
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Romans 1:27
Which specifically says...
- They abandoned natural relations with women;
- They are inflamed in lust for other men;
- They have commited indecent acts with other men; and
- They will receive the due penalty for their perversion.
BUT
2) If homosexuality is NEVER mentioned, like in the story of David and Jonathan, then you read into it that they are homosexuals.
Biblically speaking persons of the middle east were considered Caucasians or more properly the descendants of Shem. Marking them as different form the descendants of Ham or Blacks and the descendants of Japheth or OrientalsThey were in the Middle East. A lot of them had dark skin. And there is a lot of positive stuff about a lot of them.
But let me say again, God is a God of ORDER. He speaks to acts of homosexuality and not homosexuality in the same way as He speaks to acts of heterosexuality and not heterosexuality.
Have you noticed anything positive in the scripture about homosexuality? No one has ever answered that question.
It doesnt say anything positive about people with dark skin either .does this make racism acceptable to you?
But it ISNT clear on the topic.
Such problems arise when trying force a dead language to embrace modern concepts. Translation problems crop up time and time again.
Shakab (rape) is not the same as shakhabh (to lie with) or mishkabh (to have sexual/carnal relations with)
And arsenokoites doesnt translate as homosexual and there is no reason to believe that is what Paul meant when he wrote it. Ancient Greek has a handful of well known words meaning homosexual but he didnt use them
Your OP demands everyone agree with your personal interpretation but anyone who has studied the topic cannot in good conscience do so because of the numerous translations problems of the topic. I cant say homosexuality is bad because the bible never says it is. And demanding that people ignore the facts and adhere to your views just because you wish them to is poor form.
discrimination against a minority is never an act of love.
Obviously you didnt do as I suggested.
Simply put there are those who use key biblical verses to support racism just as you are trying to use a few verses to support your personal prejudice against homosexuals.
Does the use of the bible make racism OK?
Before you answer, remember racists are doing nothing different from what you are attempting to accomplish here. They seek to have others agree that because of verses in the bible, racial equality is wrong and they want to know why others just cant admit that.
The point being that they are not identified in Gods word.
Biblically speaking persons of the middle east were considered Caucasians…or more properly the descendants of Shem. Marking them as different form the descendants of Ham or Blacks and the descendants of
You know, the Bible doesn't say...
In the same way people with dark skin abandoned natural white skin and were inflamed with lust for having dark skin. Men with dark skin committed indecent acts by getting dark skin, and received in themselves the due penalty for their dark skin.
So there's no real reason to try to find something positive about dark skinned people. BUT since the Bible does say...
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Romans 1:27
...if you choose to believe homosexuality is a-ok with God, looks like you'd want some positive verses that prove it.
Again, I say...the only time homosexuals are mentioned in the Bible, God is either destroying them or condemning them.
Can anyone say anything different?
Biblically speaking persons of the middle east were considered Caucasians or more properly the descendants of Shem. Marking them as different form the descendants of Ham or Blacks and the descendants of Japheth or Orientals
Now do you wish to answer the question I posed to DMagoh?
Now…do you wish to answer the question I posed to DMagoh?
That pagan and a lot of the liberal Christians on this forum seem to be in agreement an awful lot...
Its easy to agree about the truth
Does the fact that the bible says nothing positive about blacks make racism acceptable to you?
A major point is that what the bible says is not clear.
While the pro-discrimination group will wail loudly and gnash tier teeth at this it doesn’t change the fact that there is serious questions about the translation of the four verse generally used to justify their personal prejudice.
The best argument the pro-discrimination group can provide
is an appeal to history, that is stating that since many have always hated this particular minority
and forced certain interoperations of key verses then it is all right to continue.
The bible is much clearer on many topics that are rejected by modern Christians.
Slavery
Racism
Animal sacrifice
The use of rape to force marriage on a woman
These and many other topics are publicly condemned as “wrong” despite their biblical support.
Take your post and exchange the references to homosexuals to blacks
Would you attack people who support racial equality as you are attacking people who reject discrimination against homosexuals?
non sequitor -- race is not a moral issue, and gay is not a racial issue,
Thank you. So why do folks continue to make this false analogy?
Is there a homosexual on this board who, regardless of how you think you were born, can agree with God's Word about the committing of homosexual ACTS?
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