But it ISNT clear on the topic.
It's actually very clear on the topic. The confusion comes when folks don't want it to say what it says.
Such problems arise when trying force a dead language to embrace modern concepts. Translation problems crop up time and time again.
God's Word is ALIVE because he is ALIVE. There was never any attempt to make a dead language embrace modern concepts because there is no modern concept that hasn't always been. There is NOTHING new under the Sun.
Shakab (rape) is not the same as shakhabh (to lie with) or mishkabh (to have sexual/carnal relations with)
Now use the Full Counsel of God's Word to see how each is used and where if you want to know God's intent. The Bible gives the best testimony to the Bible.
And arsenokoites doesnt translate as homosexual and there is no reason to believe that is what Paul meant when he wrote it. Ancient Greek has a handful of well known words meaning homosexual
but he didnt use them
Of course it doesn't translate as homosexual. God's Word doesn't say anything about homosexuals, but rather acts of homosexuality and homosexual offenders.
Arsenokoites, if my Greek is correct, is descriptive of a person who lies with a man as with a woman. That's what the word meant back then. Today, the word homosexual is ascribed to it.
Looking at the Greek, is the descriptor one of just the person, or the person who does an act?
Your OP demands everyone agree with your personal interpretation but anyone who has studied the topic cannot in good conscience do so because of the numerous translations problems of the topic. I cant say homosexuality is bad because the bible never says it is. And demanding that people ignore the facts and adhere to your views just because you wish them to is poor form.
Again, my OP nor anything that I have said demands your agreement with me. Forget me. Align yourself with God's Word.
And as much as you purport to have done these word studies of the Greek, no one who looks at the Full Counsel of God's Word will conclude what you have unless they are looking for excuses to justify wrong actions.
discrimination against a minority is never an act of love.
If all haved sinned, how does one stand in discrimination against a minority for calling sin sin?
Are homosexuals not sinners? If they are, how are they being discriminate dagainst by calling their sin sin?
Obviously you didnt do as I suggested.
Sure did and it still didn't make a point.
Simply put there are those who use key biblical verses to support racism just as you are trying to use a few verses to support your personal prejudice against homosexuals.
Simply put, in your rush to be the personal defender of all things homosexual, you missed that I did not speak to homosexuals but the committing of homosexual acts.
In that regard, you've erected a strawman comparison.
Again, i'm asking folks about homosexual acts. Now if you want to construct a defense comparing the committing of Black Acts and homosexual acts, then we're on the same page.
Does the use of the bible make racism OK?
Nope. Folks in the past tried to use God's Word to justify racism in much the same way as you're trying to use it to justify homosexuality that I have not asked about.
Deal with the homosexual acts. Folks can try a million different ways to justify the committing of homosexual acts. In every language, God still identifies tha acts as wrong.
Before you answer, remember racists are doing nothing different from what you are attempting to accomplish here. They seek to have others agree that because of verses in the bible, racial equality is wrong and they want to know why others just cant admit that.
Then you have once again assumed something that is not true. AGREE WITH GOD, not me.
When you can show, using God's Word instead of excuses of poor translation, that the committing of homosexual acts is right, then talk to me.
As it stands, your poor translation excuse is just that. If your premise of bad translation didn't breed confusion in folks and a tragic distrust of God's Word and dealing with what it says, then you might have a foundation upon which to stand.
But I can tell ya without fail, anytime someone starts to make understanding Gods Word overly complicated, it ain't of God.
The point being that they are not identified in Gods word.
Point being, they are. And you can manipulate the text all you like. It is what it is.