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What keeps a person with ADHD from walking in His purpose?Any condition that stands in the way of walking in His purpose...
It is just that ADHD is endemic and almost considered normal in 'modern' minds.
Most of what you’ve written in this thread is nothing more than toxic, over-spiritualized nonsense that does nothing but shame people into not seeking help for legitimate medical conditions. Stop.
What keeps a person with ADHD from walking in His purpose?
The question is what is ADHD?What keeps a person with ADHD from walking in His purpose?
The shame comes from proposing that it’s the result of a spiritual condition. If it’s a spiritual condition, then it’s somehow your fault or within your power to correct just by praying harder, being more faithful, etc. ADHD is no more a spiritual condition than osteoporosis or sciatica. There may be things you can do to mitigate their effects, but the underlying cause is physiological and not within your control.Do you have anything to support your opinion here, that there is indeed any danger at all in the opinions being shared? What exactly is "over-spiritualized"? If the medical proffession have dropped a commitment to first doing no harm, and fall short of producing scientific evidence that their definition of diseases, and treatments for them, actually work, how does that constitute legitimacy for those conditions? How is anyone at all being shamed here?
Please,could we see your evidence that people are deterred from approaching Dr's because of shame caused by someone thinking that the churches are letting people down?
If it’s a spiritual condition, then it’s somehow your fault or within your power to correct just by praying harder, being more faithful,
Your accusations in post no 56 were made with no supportive evidence, your statement of faith here might be utterly honest, but it is not evidence of anything.I don’t believe the medical profession has failed in the ways you’ve described, at least not systemically.
None of the posts in this thread have provided any supporting evidence, except for your post 21, which misinterpreted the study it cited. That study was talking specifically about misdiagnosis by primary care doctors, not by mental health specialists like you implied. Your error would be akin to looking at the rate of cancer misdiagnoses by podiatrists and blaming inadequate oncology research instead of blaming the podiatrists' inadequate training and/or for them not staying in their lane.Your accusations in post no 56 were made with no supportive evidence, your statement of faith here might be utterly honest, but it is not evidence of anything.
There is medicine to help those with ADHD to live fairly normal lives. My nephew has ADHD and is an Engineer with several degrees. That takes concentration.Inability to concentrate, and flourish in their God given talents.
Quoting myself from post no 40, "I found a web site which supported mainstream mental health perspectives deliberately. I also looked for a place which presented the point in plain english, so anyone could read it, the articles in the BMJ and scientific reaearch papers about it prove the same point, but I am no scientist, and I did not want to limit the thread to something only people with fancy PhD's could read." and "What I am saying is there is a shortage of science in the realm of mental health, and if there was not then these clear numbers of errors would not exist. You are entirely correct that the article I linked to is not saying that, but then I was only trying to show that the proffessionals themselves know that there is an major problem with diagnostic accuracy.None of the posts in this thread have provided any supporting evidence, except for your post 21, which misinterpreted the study it cited.
Where did I imply this?That study was talking specifically about misdiagnosis by primary care doctors, not by mental health specialists like you implied.
I do not know how it works elsewhere in the world, but in my country a GP has to think you have a mental health problem of some kind, before you can get to a psychiatrists, psychologist, or a psycholililala. (I made that last one up, before anyone accuses me of henious deliberate misrepresentationYour error would be akin to looking at the rate of cancer misdiagnoses by podiatrists and blaming inadequate oncology research instead of blaming the podiatrists' inadequate training and/or for them not staying in their lane.
If anyone is taking a pill and it is working out well for them, that is fine with me. Their body, their choice, and if applicable their faith still going strong, all good.There is medicine to help those with ADHD to live fairly normal lives. My nephew has ADHD and is an Engineer with several degrees. That takes concentration.
Living a faithful Godly life doesn't take a lot of concentration. It takes surrendering to the Holy Spirit and letting that Spirit guide you.
You are quoting a different story from a different gospel.Now the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had slipped away [unnoticed] since there was a crowd in that place. Afterward, Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, “See, you are well! Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.”
~bella
Quoting myself from post no 40, "I found a web site which supported mainstream mental health perspectives deliberately. I also looked for a place which presented the point in plain english, so anyone could read it, the articles in the BMJ and scientific reaearch papers about it prove the same point, but I am no scientist, and I did not want to limit the thread to something only people with fancy PhD's could read." and "What I am saying is there is a shortage of science in the realm of mental health, and if there was not then these clear numbers of errors would not exist. You are entirely correct that the article I linked to is not saying that, but then I was only trying to show that the proffessionals themselves know that there is an major problem with diagnostic accuracy.
Since I posted the link itself, your accusation that I wanted to misrepresent the article that I linked to seems particularly futile.
Where did I imply this?
I do not know how it works elsewhere in the world, but in my country a GP has to think you have a mental health problem of some kind, before you can get to a psychiatrists, psychologist, or a psycholililala.
What I can assure you I have noticed is that you are in this thread apparently outright arguing that there is no shortfall in scientific research regarding mental health, and that it is downright "toxic" to believe that Jesus can help those who suffer. What is quite incomrehensible to me is that you do not appear to see a problem with the situation as it is.
You are quoting a different story from a different gospel.
I have posted the text and reference for Legion. Where does his story suggest a need for shame and blame?
Kept in chains, described cutting himself with the edges of rocks, if we are talking about what happens in mental health wards, he is in a modern day locked ward, and he needs help because of self harm, perhaps would be deemed to have MPD. The "chains" these days would be powerful tranquilizer drugs.You’re comparing apples and oranges to make your point.
~bella
He is not an exceptional case, he is just right there in the Bible being freed by Jesus, no shame or blame required.
If you think that we are only talking about ADHD, well no I do not think that Legion had ADHD (see my post 59 maybe).
If it is the way some of us are created, then people can walk in His purpose with it, and the obligation is on the rest of us to value them as they are.
I used the word deliberate, I said that I deliberately chose a mainstream mental health based link.I didn't say that your misinterpretation was deliberate, but it was there.
This is me again quoting myself from post no 40 - "What I am saying is there is a shortage of science in the realm of mental health, and if there was not then these clear numbers of errors would not exist. You are entirely correct that the article I linked to is not saying that,"You implied it when you proposed as the cause of these misdiagnoses this:
There is. I am not implying at all...just plain stating it, here is the support for my point."These numbers are huge, they are error rates, and they exist because there is a significant lack of science applicable to "mental health" compared to all other medical problems."
Yes...links above.If the rates of misdiagnoses is due to inadequate science, then that would mean that even the mental health specialists are misdiagnosing people at high rates.
Now you are saying you did not argue this..."and that it is downright "toxic" to believe that Jesus can help those who suffer." That is what I am saying you did.I have argued none of this. You are inferring things that are incorrect.
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