Can we read scripture together.

[ebia]

Whats my agenda?

No idea. The thread in question had an agenda - determining the date of authorship of the text. This thread is exactly about that - why are all the threads here staring with an agenda and none of them starting with the text to see where it leads?

Well its obvious.What makes you think i cant discern by reading your words?

The fact that you're mistaken?

Yes i agree.I asked for your sources regarding the later date.You seemed to lose interest.Im glad that interest has been reactivated.

This thread is not about that thread - please don't derail it.

 

[ebia]

Please stick to the subject of this thread - I am not going to continue the discussion from another thread with you here.

 

[wayseer]

Please stick to the subject of this thread - I am not going to continue the discussion from another thread with you here.

Why bother? You started a thread with every good intention to open up dialogue and along comes Darth Vader with the sole purpose of destroying anything that it cannot understand.

I can understand how Jesus got himself executed - it wasn't satan all - it was ignorance.

 

[interested in life]

Please stick to the subject of this thread - I am not going to continue the discussion from another thread with you here.

You might not of noticed but my post was based on scripture.I again asked you to open up your bible and see a subject for yourself.
Nevermind.

 

[wayseer]

Well done IIL - another thread destroyed.

 

[daydreamergurl15]

Do we realize that we never actually read scripture together in this thread?

 

[daydreamergurl15]

No. Doctines are abstractions [hopefully from scripture]. They are each at least one step removed from scripture, often much more than one step removed. And very different in presentation - its presented as absolute propositional truth or instruction, where as the vast majority of scripture is narrative and even the bits that aren't narrative at face value are embedded in implied narrative and the big meta-narrative.

If someone talks about the Doctrine of Salvation/Holy Spirit/Trinity/etc...it stems from scripture. I'm not talking about how people use the scripture, but that those doctrines themselves are from scripture.

No, its starting from scripture and talking about where we go from here with an openess to what scripture has to say. Starting with doctine is begin with the abstraction as the main event and treat scripture as something to support or demolish it. Our interest has moved from God using scripture to take us whereever he wants us to go, to refining our abstractions that we'll use in place of scripture itself.

If someone starts with their opinion of a scripture, we're in trouble. Our opinions don't matter when it comes to what scripture says.

Absolutely not. The object is reflection, not abstraction, and means is mutual listening, not oppositional debate.

If someone gives their opinion and you know based on scripture it is wrong, will you not take your time and show them a better way like Anaias and Saphira did with Aaron or do we let them walk and believe in something that's wrong? Why would we be willing to let people walk away not knowing the truth in scripture? I don't get it.

Who said we have to come to the same conclusion? If it's a good conversation we'll each have got something positive out of it.

If we walk away with different interpretations of scripture and it contradicts one another, there is a problem because the bible cannot have contradicting truths. We should be of one mind, that's what we see in the Book of Acts.

The end purpose is to grow into the scriptural story, not memorise a set of abstractions that we or someone else has distilled from the scriptural story and put in its place.

I'm not talking about listening to someone tell you their version of what scripture is, scripture speaks for itself. If God felt those "stories" important enough to be their maybe we should allow scripture to tell us what they say and not other outside sources.

I have tried it. It never runs to a page. Nobody here seems interested in actually engaging in scripture - all they are interested in is bashing each other's doctines, or proving eheir own. Fighting over abstractions instead of engaging with the original story together. We should be challenging each other with fresh insights into the texts, not perpetually re-enacting the 16th century.

I read scripture on my own, I do not come to this place that is specially set up for discussions and think that we all are going to sit down and just challenge each other. There are other subforums that are designed for specifically purpose [BTW, yes, I realize this is one of those forums but I clicked on this link when we were still in the General Theology section and I just realize that we are in the Christian Scripture section).