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Can we Quantify Value?

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Can we Quantify Value?

“When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely in your thoughts advanced to the state of science.”– Lord Kelvin

Lord Kelvin is making a value judgment. Has his value judgment advanced to the state of being a science? We do not have a physical standard for such a measurement so his judgment of this matter is unsatisfactory, at least in his valuation of judgment.

We have developed standards for quantifying certain physical parameters. We have standards for distance, weight, and time. The physical sciences utilize these standards for measuring things that have length, gravity, and duration. We have not developed similar quantifying standards for many other things that are of value to us. This may mean that the measurement of these values is unsatisfactory but again this is a value judgment, which is, as Lord Kelvin says, unsatisfactory. However unsatisfactory it does not mean that we cannot develop a disciplined, empirical, and systematic study of our values, that is to say we can develop a science of any domain of knowledge.

The quantification of qualities is useful especially in qualities that seldom change but, however unsatisfactory, it does not mean that we cannot develop a disciplined, empirical, and systematic study of our values.

Many of my teachers in grade school gave us report cards with number rather than letter grades. Since this is a quantification of value is it better than a letter grade? The quantification of an assessment of value seems to be an arbitrary assignment of the degree of value in which a judgment is held.

Can you quantify beauty, right, wrong, evil, good, sanity, aptness, inaptness, IQ (evidently we have developed a standard here), sophistication, democracy, freedom, etc?
 

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You can study the social impact of values, however the data will always be subjective. Numbers or values assigned to beauty, right, wrong, good, sanity, ect... may prove useful in certain situations however they are not capable of capturing a true measure of value.
 
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Can we quantify value? Yes and it has been done in the economic world as part of utility theory. This started dealing with risk and delayed gratification. Would you rather have a six pack today or an 50/50 chance of a case next week? One can create a scale of 'utils' that are a measure of 'value'.

But there are some problems, people seem to not be entirely rational.

The biggest problem however is that these utils are unique to the individual. It has been shown mathematically that they are not transferable. Meaning that summing up the utils that each person has does not yeild a number where a higher total means a better overall satisfaction or value for society.
 
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Everything that we know, perceive, or think is subjective. Objectivity is shared subjectivity.

ob·jec·tiv·i·ty [ òb jek tívvətee ]
noun Definition: 1. ability to view things objectively: the ability to perceive or describe something without being influenced by personal emotions or prejudices

2. accuracy: the fact or quality of being accurate, unbiased, and independent of individual perceptions

3. philosophy actual existence: the actual existence of something, without reference to people's impressions or ideas

I would question the objectivity of anyone willing to redefine a word to support thier ideas.
 
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Can we quantify value? Yes and it has been done in the economic world as part of utility theory. This started dealing with risk and delayed gratification. Would you rather have a six pack today or an 50/50 chance of a case next week? One can create a scale of 'utils' that are a measure of 'value'.

But there are some problems, people seem to not be entirely rational.

The biggest problem however is that these utils are unique to the individual. It has been shown mathematically that they are not transferable. Meaning that summing up the utils that each person has does not yeild a number where a higher total means a better overall satisfaction or value for society.

Is a standard necessary for measurment and thus for quantification? Where are these economic standards kept so as to protect their legitimacy?
 
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I would question the objectivity of anyone willing to redefine a word to support thier ideas.

New theories are being created constantly; either new words or extending the meaning of old words are constantly taking place. When faced with a new idea it is advisable to hold in check our common sense reactions until we know enough about the new idea to develop a considered opinion.
 
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To think your being objective about something because many people hold it as a subjective opinion though... To be objective is to be accurate, unbiased, and independent of individual perceptions not shared inaccuracy, bias and individual perceptions. You’re turning the meaning of a word on its head... if your theories rely on muddy water to seem plausible their not very good theories.

New theories are being created constantly; either new words or extending the meaning of old words are constantly taking place. When faced with a new idea it is advisable to hold in check our common sense reactions until we know enough about the new idea to develop a considered opinion.
 
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Can we quantify value? Yes and it has been done in the economic world as part of utility theory. This started dealing with risk and delayed gratification. Would you rather have a six pack today or an 50/50 chance of a case next week? One can create a scale of 'utils' that are a measure of 'value'.

Yes, this seems intuitively consistent with the idea that the value of some good can be measured in terms of what one is prepared to forego, or sacrifice, in order to bring it about. Or some evil, in terms of what one is prepared to forego, or sacrifice, in order to prevent it.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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