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I’ve searched and not many verses in the Word about suicide. If someone were to take their life but are a devote Christian, does it make sense that God would condemn you to hell, or to a place that seperates you from Him? From what I know about God is that he is not a vengeful God. Especially to those who try to follow Him and have the Holy Spirit in them. He is all knowing and all understanding.

I know much of this part of the forum is about harm protection and wanting to help those who may be close to the edge but if I could just get some honest opinions for a moment. Do many of you truly believe God condemns those who are baptized and who are believers....who are suffering and make the decision to leave this earth early? Some sort of punishment for those who try to follow Him but can’t take a lot of what the world gives? Like a cruel payback for those who feel they can’t make it another 40yrs? I truly don’t believe Jesus works this way.

Opinions would be appreciated.

Thank you all.
 
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I’ve searched and not many verses in the Word about suicide. If someone were to take their life but are a devote Christian, does it make sense that God would condemn you to hell, or to a place that seperates you from Him? From what I know about God is that he is not a vengeful God. Especially to those who try to follow Him and have the Holy Spirit in them. He is all knowing and all understanding.

I know much of this part of the forum is about harm protection and wanting to help those who may be close to the edge but if I could just get some honest opinions for a moment. Do many of you truly believe God condemns those who are baptized and who are believers....who are suffering and make the decision to leave this earth early? Some sort of punishment for those who try to follow Him but can’t take a lot of what the world gives? Like a cruel payback for those who feel they can’t make it another 40yrs? I truly don’t believe Jesus works this way.

Opinions would be appreciated.

Thank you all.
I don't really know the answer but please don't commit suicide if you are thinking about it. God loves you and Jesus can help you with all things. God bless you and Jesus is Lord.
 
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I’ve searched and not many verses in the Word about suicide. If someone were to take their life but are a devote Christian, does it make sense that God would condemn you to hell, or to a place that seperates you from Him? From what I know about God is that he is not a vengeful God. Especially to those who try to follow Him and have the Holy Spirit in them. He is all knowing and all understanding.

I know much of this part of the forum is about harm protection and wanting to help those who may be close to the edge but if I could just get some honest opinions for a moment. Do many of you truly believe God condemns those who are baptized and who are believers....who are suffering and make the decision to leave this earth early? Some sort of punishment for those who try to follow Him but can’t take a lot of what the world gives? Like a cruel payback for those who feel they can’t make it another 40yrs? I truly don’t believe Jesus works this way.

Opinions would be appreciated.

Thank you all.
My apologies for your tremendous loss, but I also commend you for reaching out and making your story our story, so that we can get behind, beneath, beside etc, to lift you up. Please allow me to do just that.

Here is my view of things, the below passage makes sense to me, perhaps in my own way. I’ll explain after the passage.

[Jhn 12:25 NIV] 25 “Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.”

Now, I am a very confident person, but I also understand that this confidence is the thing that separates me from others, and it’s almost unbearable for me to endure. I’m not bragging, rather, I am saying that when I open the door of my home, I am instantly placed into a vast sea of insecurity and weakness.

Both side of my family have rejected me, as well as all of my friends….and this, essentially, is because of my spiritual experience which permanently changed me. In other words, I’ve ultimately been rejected by everyone for my faith. I am not in love with myself, no. In fact, I fight for the needs of others, to fight for and defend those whom cannot defend themselves. This is what confident people do, but I find this world to be so thick with hatred, bitterness and resentment, that at one point I wanted out of this world desperately, and I was absolutely ready to head out to a bridge and complete my jump into freedom. The problem isn’t that I was sick, the problem is that everyone else IS!

I don’t know who this person is, what they suffered from or knew their thoughts, but I can assure you that this person left this planet because of the grief of others….no way around it. I believe that a devout Christian can be so painfully miserable in this world, disgusted by what he or she sees, that it might prompt them to take their life….I actually understand the mindset behind it. I really do. But I can tell you this, that if someone hated their life so much so for my sake that they were willing to loose it, I would be amazed and honored. This demonstrates incredible trust, when you think about it! I mean, for a devout Christian to do such a thing requires remarkable trust….I get it.

Now, these things said, we have work to do. We do, and that’s all there is to it. We must learn to develop self-control, to conduct ourselves as mature people with dignity so as to be an example for all around. Folks like myself and your friend need to be a force in this world, for we understand the hurt and pain that the world enjoys heaping upon one another.

So while I understand how one can hate their life so much so that they yearn for a better life with God, I get it. This is a very hurtful and painful world….my very life proves it. But we do need to be examples for the rest of the world, to show our youngster how to stand in the times of trial, to stand tall, brave and firm, unmovable as though the rock of Christ were our very feet! So now that while this person is gone, you are now passing along their story. And now it is your job to make this person’s life useful. If God created this devout Christian, then God’s purpose has been completed, but it is now your duty to carry on a specific message. If I am correct, then this is your great opportunity to complete God’s work by showing the silver lining on what appears to be this dark, ugly, cloud. You can do it!

Thank you for sharing…..I believe in you!
 
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I’ve searched and not many verses in the Word about suicide. If someone were to take their life but are a devote Christian, does it make sense that God would condemn you to hell, or to a place that seperates you from Him? From what I know about God is that he is not a vengeful God. Especially to those who try to follow Him and have the Holy Spirit in them. He is all knowing and all understanding.

I know much of this part of the forum is about harm protection and wanting to help those who may be close to the edge but if I could just get some honest opinions for a moment. Do many of you truly believe God condemns those who are baptized and who are believers....who are suffering and make the decision to leave this earth early? Some sort of punishment for those who try to follow Him but can’t take a lot of what the world gives? Like a cruel payback for those who feel they can’t make it another 40yrs? I truly don’t believe Jesus works this way.

Opinions would be appreciated.

Thank you all.
I believe it would depend on your state of mind at the time of the event. Many people are not able to make a rational decision at the time they take their life. God would not hold a person responsible for a decision that was made under those circumstances. On the other hand if a person made a rational decision while they were fully aware of the fact that they were about to commit a sin, I believe that they would be held accountable for their actions. Blessings and Prayers
 
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Thank you all for your responses.
Thess, can you explain what you mean by “that if someone hated their life so much so for my sake that they were willing to loose it, I would be amazed and honored. This demonstrates incredible trust, when you think about it! I mean, for a devout Christian to do such a thing requires remarkable trust”?
Do you mean willing to lose your body to be closer to God?
 
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Thank you all for your responses.
Thess, can you explain what you mean by “that if someone hated their life so much so for my sake that they were willing to loose it, I would be amazed and honored. This demonstrates incredible trust, when you think about it! I mean, for a devout Christian to do such a thing requires remarkable trust”?
Do you mean willing to lose your body to be closer to God?
What is being talked about here is giving up our own desires in life and instead serving God. Giving up our life by giving it to God. Hope this helps you.
 
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Do many of you truly believe God condemns those who are baptized and who are believers....who are suffering and make the decision to leave this earth early?

Suicide is self murder. Do not murder is one of the ten commandments. It's on the top 10 list.

I know it's hard to understand but God has a purpose for your pain. God wants you to search for and discover that purpose. You are God's creation. He made you just the way you are. He doesn't want his creation destroyed. He wants it put to use serving others. Working through your pain and then helping others do the same is one possible purpose God might have for you. There are many other possibilities. Find someone who can help you work through your pain and find your purpose.

Here's one resource: Faithful Counseling

Some others here may have other resources for you. You need help not escape.
 
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Thank you all for your responses.
Thess, can you explain what you mean by “that if someone hated their life so much so for my sake that they were willing to loose it, I would be amazed and honored. This demonstrates incredible trust, when you think about it! I mean, for a devout Christian to do such a thing requires remarkable trust”?
Do you mean willing to lose your body to be closer to God?
Yes, I was wanting to die because of two reasons:

1. I know God’s love like few have been able to experience.

2. God’s indescribable peace and love exposes the sin and wretchedness of mankind and it, at times, is almost unbearable.

So you can see that if I were to have taken my life, it would not have been because of self-hatred, but because of a small but true understanding of the actual, Almighty, Powerful, Creator of the Universe. Now when I mention “understanding”, I don’t mean that I became an instant scholar, quite the opposite, rather, this is a knowledge and understanding that any reasonable person would glean from an experience that could not be described accurately with human words and wisdom. No one could ever describe this Power that I had been blessed to experience, for it was equivalent to the power that would be required to literally part an entire body of water so that his chosen might live. In the moment, I spoke the words that [I somehow knew] that this quantitative amount of power that He allowed me to experience was equivalent to a mere flake of His skin. That’s incredible! I was consumed in His raw power that was completely founded in love and peace and there was nothing, absolutely nothing that could have even remotely harmed me. I also spoke the words that had I experienced even a little more of God’s power, I would have been physically harmed or altered in some way. This power….I cannot accurately describe with human words. So know that I am not smart nor do I think that I am anything great or special, rather, I just was awakened to very simple truths such as, God is extremely serious about us and I know that my entire life of suffering, and enduring it, will be a powerful tool to be used to expose the hypocrisy of the Christian church as we know it today.

Why do I say these things? To show the reality of my experience. I am completely changed by this Almighty Power. Now, having said all of this, why would I not want to go towards it? I feel exactly as the bible passages says, which is that we will hate our lives while in this place (paraphrasing). Exactly! I get it! People are absolute wolves here on earth and we love, LOVE hurting each other and putting each other down….good grief, look at what goes on in here, this forum!? If we can’t be loving and kind, in here, a Christian forum, then you instantly know what it’s like in the real world. And that means that it is absolutely about Dog-Eat-Dog in corporate life. And it’s no different in churches. My own mother and father paid the piano player at our church to take me when I was only 14 years old….a child! So every week I was ripped apart from my family, whom I adored with all my might.

When we are surrounded with this kind insanity, where mothers and fathers do not want to parent a child that loves them desperately, is not a good place to be. When this happens to a child, I assure that the child’s opinion is that life on earth sucks.

Gosh, do you see? When you know God’s indescribable love, only a NORMAL person would desire to go towards exactly that, while only a sick person would run and flee! Remember when Paul said that he wanted to go and be with Jesus in Heaven, but his flock needed him more? Same thing. As for me, because God saved me in the Arizona desert, saving me from certain death, then I know that I am loved. Period! I don’t need to doubt any longer. He loves me, and that’s it. I was a sinner, just not a great guy at all. And it was that day that I understood that God always, come on you guys, God ALWAYS uses sinners. So we don’t need to be ashamed anymore. We need to be responsible, yes, but we don’t need to be ashamed at all….anymore. Shame is, in this sense, the pit of hell itself. Shame will run us into the ground and shame will cause us to run others into the ground. So this Power allowed me to understand life, US, what is happening around us in a different way. And this, what I have just described, is the middle portion of my R12-2 experience. I believe that Romans 12:2 is not to be viewed as interesting literature. No. I believe that R12-2 is to be expected of every genuine believer. And if we cannot outline some point in time in which we can reference a complete and total shift in mindset and behavior, then we ought question ourselves and motives.

So again, you can see why I would not want to participate here on earth. I am stuck in the middle of Satan’s game and for the most part, I’m alone. I have no family or friends….have been completely rejected. Right. I have not one friend, but I have to carry on! I don’t care if they have abandoned me, for I am no longer afraid of what THEY think of me, no! I know that they are afraid of what I think of them….and that is a new and powerful position to be in, and I recommend that others follow this same mindset. And this is the mindset of Paul and Christ….for God taught me first and then confirmed it all through Scriptures. Unbelievable….I couldn’t believe it myself. And for the skeptics….I take no credit. Just an average guy that barely got through high-school. In fact, God somehow messaged to my mind that “I do not require you” just as He was saving me in His Powerful Grace. So the message is clear that I don’t think I’m anything great at all. Forgive me for that, but it is important as I’ve already received flack for a potion of this story. But, for your sake, I felt I needed to share with you this portion so that you might more understand the perspective of one that has actually wanted to “fly”.

And keep in mind, the truth is this….we just don’t know what this person was thinking in their minds when they decided to take their life. It is important to find a way to let go. I can assure you that God wants you to focus on those whom you can save today instead of those whom that are no longer here.

Answering these posts are why I’m here. Ask and I will do everything that I can to help.

Peace to you.
 
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The Word says that a murderer has no eternal life in them 1 John 3:15 "Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him."

Now you are a brother of Christ if you hate yourself so much that you want to murder yourself you kill a child of God. This is not allowed.

Life is sacred!

Please repent of considering and planning suicide, i know this can be very hard, it was for me as well, but so worth following the truth instead of the lies of depression.

Instead consider leaving your bad life behind!

Die to that!

And grow in your new life a strong spirit to withstand depression and its misery. So worth it. Depression can be suffered at the truthful side of the dividing wall, honestly true.

Be of good courage.

Peace.
 
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If someone were to take their life but are a devote Christian

Something of a contradition.

Please get professional help for your depression.
Anyone comtemplating suicide needs help.
 
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The Devil is a deceiver and gives us all kinds of reasons why we think we can break one of the Ten Commandments Thou shalt not kill.

Be terrible to show up at the Pearly Gates and be told we can't let you in because you killed somebody and then when you say I didn't kill anybody they tell you that yes you killed yourself and can't get in.

Would not be good to test that one.

Not wanting to scare you just food for thought.

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TheLongRoad, I don't know if, in fact, you need help (you might even be gathering information for another person that is suffering - we don't know). In my opinion, the one who wants to kill themselves wants to die because the people surrounding them are total idiots. It most cases, the people surrounding the one that wants suicide are the ones that are causing the one to kill themselves. It is those near the one that wants to die that is sick. That's a fact, but most people don't understand this.

You who sit on the outside and judge those on the inside, you have no idea of what it is that you're dealing with. Anyone who knows another person that is contemplating suicide, YOU ARE A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM, if not the entire problem!
 
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