Can someone show me where it is?

k4c · Nov 3, 2010

Byfaithalone1 said:
Is the Spirit God?

Is God limited by words written on a page?

BFA

God can work anyway He wants but He has given us the word to guild and direct through the leading of the Spirit.

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

The words that were spoken were written down for our instruction, correction and are profitable for doctrine.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Now I know you know these things so I guess you just want to question for the sake of questioning and not for spiritual understanding or truth.

Byfaithalone1 · Nov 3, 2010

k4c said:
God can work anyway He wants

I agree.

BFA

k4c · Nov 3, 2010

Byfaithalone1 said:
I agree.

BFA

Agreeing only with what fits your belief system and ignoring clear Bible truth that does not agree is not a good way to discern truth from error.

ricker · Nov 3, 2010

David Conklin said:
>A favorite subject of yours.

It's an easy test. If they are wrong on such simple stuff why should you trust them on the more complex.

Do you think if a Christian doesn't believe in Mrs. White's teachings, "the truth is not in us"?

k4c · Nov 4, 2010

ricker said:
Do you think if a Christian doesn't believe in Mrs. White's teachings, "the truth is not in us"?

Whether EGW, Martin Luther, Billy Graham or Benny Hinn said it does not matter, truth is truth.

Now has far as what is truth, that's where your personal study (comparing Scripture with Scripture), testing and prayer comes in.

There are many people saying many different things in the Christian world today. This is how God tells us to handle all the information that's out there.

1 Thessalonians 5:20-22 Do not despise prophetic utterances. But test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good.

There is truth that leads to life and truth that leads to abundant life. Truth that leads to life has no room for error but the truth that leads to abundant life is based more on personal life style choices leading to wellness and not so much a salvation issue. I believe much of what EGW spoke of has more to do with the abundant life but certain people have made it a salvation issue.

Byfaithalone1 · Nov 4, 2010

k4c said:
Agreeing only with what fits your belief system and ignoring clear Bible truth that does not agree is not a good way to discern truth from error.

You have assumed much about what I believe. I am in full agreement with the passages you cited. It is your interpretation of the passages that I disagree with. All scripture is profitable. This includes the God-given scriptures relating to circumcision, passover, the feast of tabernacles, the wearing of tzitzit, day of atonement, the carrying of an ark of the covenant, the building of tents, the killing of enemy tribes, animal sacrifices and the feast of weeks. The question is not whether such scriptures are profitable. They are. The question is -- profitable for what?

BFA

k4c · Nov 4, 2010

Byfaithalone1 said:
You have assumed much about what I believe. I am in full agreement with the passages you cited. It is your interpretation of the passages that I disagree with. All scripture is profitable. This includes the God-given scriptures relating to circumcision, passover, the feast of tabernacles, the wearing of tzitzit, day of atonement, the carrying of an ark of the covenant, the building of tents, the killing of enemy tribes, animal sacrifices and the feast of weeks. The question is not whether such scriptures are profitable. They are. The question is -- profitable for what?

BFA

Did you read the verses?

Profitable for what?

profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

For what purpose?

that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Byfaithalone1 · Nov 4, 2010

Thanks, K4C. Since I agree with you that all Scripture is profitable, let's pick a specific example and use that example to help us explore this concept on a deeper level.

Q: Can you explain how scriptures relating to the feast of unleavened bread (such as Exodus 34:18 and Leviticus 23:4-8) are profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness? Can you provide specific examples to illustrate the doctrinal implications, the opportunities for reproof and correction and the instruction in righteousness?

Thanks.

BFA

k4c · Nov 5, 2010

Byfaithalone1 said:
Thanks, K4C. Since I agree with you that all Scripture is profitable, let's pick a specific example and use that example to help us explore this concept on a deeper level.

Q: Can you explain how scriptures relating to the feast of unleavened bread (such as Exodus 34:18 and Leviticus 23:4-8) are profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness? Can you provide specific examples to illustrate the doctrinal implications, the opportunities for reproof and correction and the instruction in righteousness?

Thanks.

BFA

All the feasts were given to paint a picture to help us understand a deeper spiritual concept.

Byfaithalone1 · Nov 5, 2010

k4c said:
All the feasts were given to paint a picture to help us understand a deeper spiritual concept.

And what is that deeper spiritual concept?

What are the doctrinal implications? Does our belief that all scripture is profitable compel us to observe any or all of the holy convocations?

BFA

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 8, 2010

Wading in....

The lesson (doctrine) of the feast of the unleavened bread is for us to examine ourselves and purge (repent) of the sin (leaven) in our lives before we come to the cross (passover) and enter into salvation through Christ's righteousness.

As far as the new covenant instruction for the Christian, we need to esablish when the new covenant came into effect. A covenant is a contract between two parties. In this case between God and His people. Everything in that contract that is binding has to be there before the contract is signed, correct? Anything after that point cannot be considered to be part of the contract or covenant. Jesus shedding His blood was the seal or signature to that new covenant. Considering that there is zero scriptural backing for keeping the first day of the week before the cross, then we are bound by the teachings and commands up to that point.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Mark 2:28
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Mark 6:2
And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue:

Everything after that is just clarification and expansion on the teachings of the new covenant and has to be understood in that context.

The keeping of the first day of the week didn't start to be part of the early church until sometime between 100 and 200 AD. Do a brief history check to prove this point out.

Acts 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

John the revelator would not have penned the words in Rev. 14 if keeping the commandments of Christ, which includes the 4th, were not still in effect some 70 years after the cross.

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Byfaithalone1 · Dec 9, 2010

EastCoastRemnant said:
The lesson (doctrine) of the feast of the unleavened bread is for us to examine ourselves and purge (repent) of the sin (leaven) in our lives before we come to the cross (passover) and enter into salvation through Christ's righteousness

OK. Let's start here. Does our belief that all scripture is profitable -- perhaps for the reasons you've stated above -- compel us to observe the feast of unleavened bread as God commanded the children of Israel to observe it?

BFA

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 9, 2010

No, the antitypes of the feasts were met in the type of Christ.... thats what I had already said in my previous post... sorry you didn't understand it.

Byfaithalone1 · Dec 9, 2010

EastCoastRemnant said:
No, the antitypes of the feasts were met in the type of Christ.... thats what I had already said in my previous post... sorry you didn't understand it.

OK. We agree on this.

I understand this to include everything described in Leviticus 23 and Exodus 34. Do we share this in common or are our viewpoints different?

BFA

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 9, 2010

The earthly sanctuary ceremonies as well as the feasts were shadows of Christ and His ministry were done away with when He died, Not the decalogue or the health laws.

Please do not try and refute my above statements as that is what I, and other Adventists believe and nothing you will say will convince me otherwise. Respect that this is the Traditional Adventist forum and we believe what we believe. We are not seeking opinions or doctrine from other faiths...thank you.

If you have a question about any of our doctrine, I'm sure there will be many on here that will help you. But do not ask a question if your intention is to create a platform to argue your belief.

Byfaithalone1 · Dec 9, 2010

EastCoastRemnant said:
The earthly sanctuary ceremonies as well as the feasts were shadows of Christ and His ministry were done away with when He died, Not the decalogue or the health laws.

The way I understand it, special animal sacrifices were a part of the God-commanded observance of all of the holy convocations listed in Leviticus 23. Do you have a different understanding?

If we were to observe one of the holy convocations listed in Leviticus 23, should we observe the convocation as God commanded that it be observed, or is it OK to leave out some of the practices that God required?

BFA

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 9, 2010

First of all, let me thank you for responding to my posts in a Godly fashion. I apologize if my comments came across as rough but I guard my faith and the faith of my brethren very strongly. You also got caught up in my ire with Cribstyl. Hopefully our future correspondance will be in the spirit of love and learning.

I'm not a feast keeper because, as I understand it, to continue to observe anything that represented the antitype of Christ, nullifies His ministry and what He came to do.

Byfaithalone1 · Dec 9, 2010

EastCoastRemnant said:
First of all, let me thank you for responding to my posts in a Godly fashion. I apologize if my comments came across as rough but I guard my faith and the faith of my brethren very strongly. You also got caught up in my ire with Cribstyl. Hopefully our future correspondance will be in the spirit of love and learning.

I'd love that. I remember when I first started posting here; it was an adjustment.

I'm not a feast keeper because, as I understand it, to continue to observe anything that represented the antitype of Christ, nullifies His ministry and what He came to do.

Our perspectives may differ in the application, but I think we've reached a similar conclusion on what you've written above. Although I may apply this principle to Leviticus 23:1-4 as well, I understand that you may have a different perspective.

BFA

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 9, 2010

I guess where it differs for me, concerning vs 3, is the fact the weekly Sabbath was in the decalogue written by the finger of God whereas the other convocations/feasts were written by Moses and had there fulfillment in Christ.

If the decalogue was not meant to be eternal, then why was it not written down by Moses the same as the rest of the ordinances?

Byfaithalone1 · Dec 9, 2010

EastCoastRemnant said:
If the decalogue was not meant to be eternal, then why was it not written down by Moses the same as the rest of the ordinances?

After studying Exodus 34, I've reached the conclusion that it was. At least, that's how I currently understand it.

BFA

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