Since there are millions of people who say Sunday is now the day that represents our new birth in Christ it must be everywhere in the New Testament but for some reason I just can't seem to find it anywhere. Can someone please show me where it might be so I can give an account of what I should be believing?
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Can someone show me where it is?
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If your question was "why do over 2 billion people worship on Sunday's"? That would be a more reasonable question.
You'd rather imply that Sunday worship should be commanded all over the NT, but you cant find it. You seem bent on tilting the scale from the onset.
Here are some fact to consider, I hope you challenge any of my declarations, so I can clarify or correct my errors.
If you read all the scriptures that followed Christ's resurrection, you'd understand several reasons why most Christians worship on His resurrection day or any other day they chose to worship.
Here is what happened the first day He arose...
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Mat 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
Mat 28:8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
Mat 28:9¶And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Mat 28:10Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
(Jesus called a meeting in Galilee on the first day)
Mat 28:16¶Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
(After they worshipped Him, He commanded them to go and baptize and teach the Gospel, not go and teach the propper day to worship.)
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Thomas had missed the meeting in Galilee as John's account show.
Studies show that they gathered a week later and Thomas was present.
It may be significant to note that Christ had to ascend to the father and He came back. Jhn 20:17
This is proven because He told Thomas to touch His nail prints, whereas before, He said touch me not.
Jhn 20:23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained.
(these words was given with the great commission)
Jhn 20:24¶But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
Jhn 20:25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Jhn 20:26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you.
I wont ask you "Why did Jesus not appear in any synagogues on the Sabbath within the 50days after His resurrection. (It's easy to create straw argument as you alway do with your threads. We should create doctrines from scriptures only.)
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According to these text below, Jesus had fellowship with them, commanding, and preaching the kingdom with them for 40 days of 50, then He left for good.
Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act 1:4¶And, being assembled together with [them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he], ye have heard of me.
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Accordind to Acts 1, the day that Jesus left them for good, they all gathered and worshipped by having a prayer service, and they chose a new apostle.
Act 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James [the son] of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas [the brother] of James.
Act 1:14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
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The day of Pentecost was a Sunday. ... preaching of the apostles doctrine happened, communion happened, worship happened, baptism happend, 3000 added to the church.
Act 2:1¶And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.
Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
All these scriptures above proves that worship among the followers of Jesus Christ was not restricted to the Sabbath day. True of False?
Asking for specific commands is a stunt that has two edges because Sabbathkeeping is never commanded to Gentiles, and secondly,worship was never isolated to a specific day.
Who is looking for specific days to worship? Then, It should be your responsibilty to show where Sabbath was the day of Christian worship in the early church.
Speak truth by posting scriptures as answers to your teachings, rather than comments that leads to more questions than answers.
In Peace
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You didn't answer my question.
Now as far as your understanding of worship, it is true, you can worship God seven days a week and you should but the fouth commandment still tells us to remember to keep the seventh day holy. Obedience is also a part of worship and a big part at that.
Now as far as your understanding of worship, it is true, you can worship God seven days a week and you should but the fouth commandment still tells us to remember to keep the seventh day holy. Obedience is also a part of worship and a big part at that.
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Your question is a falicy. "Today" is the day for the new birth in Christ, not Sunday not Saturday or any particular day, because the blood of Jesus gave access and the new birth is being born again by faith.
Your question is a scam, it has a motive to undermind the truth of the Gospel.
Psa 95:6O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.
Psa 95:7For he [is] our God; and we [are] the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
Psa 95:8Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, [and] as [in] the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Psa 95:9When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
Psa 95:10Forty years long was I grieved with [this] generation, and said, It [is] a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
Psa 95:11Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.
Do you think that John the Baptist or the Jews was baptizing in the Sabbath?
All the scriptures posted in above posts proves that Sabbath was not the day that Christ's Apostles came together for communion, pray, worship and fellowship.
SDA have tailored question that targeted Sunday as being an unathorized day for worship because Sabbath was given as a sign of Him being the creator. Then come the confusion about worship and Sabbath being synonimous. The Gospel prove that some apostles were sent to Jews and Paul was the Apostles to the Gentiles.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is when God takes up resedence in the believer. There is no set day given to worship God publicly or in the Spirit. The fact is Jesus said: there would come a time when those who worship the Father would not worship Him any particular place, but in spirit and in truth.
Collecting tithe and other forms of worship is a violation of the Sabbath. Yes scriptures proves that Jewish Christians continue to keep Sabbath until they understood the liberty they had in Christ Jesus.... (liberty is not to sin.)
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I don't believe that Sunday has any special significance. Who are these millions of people who believe that Sunday has special significance?
You can't find it because it isn't there. Sunday has no special significance. It is merely one day of seven during which men can worship God.
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That's the truth in part friend. We know the scripture says, A man can make a certain day special or he can keep all days alike. And If he is fully persuaded to keep a day special, let him do it, because it between himself and God. Who are we to judge him?What we deduce from scriptures about special days is; Sabbath is not a Christian mandate or Paul would have made that point clear;
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
When I married my SDA wife, I said to myself well what's the worst thing that could happen? Church on Sat and Sunday would only be more worship.....I'm all in.
Boy was I in for a rude awakening..........
Sheeze, I've sat for over 5years between SDA churches and protestant Churches. The worship part of the services is quite similar, but the Gospel and the doctrines are big difference.
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God sees our obedience just as much as He sees our disobedience. Obedience is rooted in worship.
Matthew 15:8-9 These people say they honor me, but their hearts are far away. Their worship is worthless, for they teach their man-made laws instead of those from God.
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Since you refuse to accept any facts I give regarding the millions of people who place special signifcance on Sunday you will have to do your own research like I did to come to my understanding. I've given you the same advice in the past but I see you still refuse to accept the truth you find and I know there is a ton of it out there all you have to do is search with an open heart that allows God to lead you into all truth. Until you do that I will be wasting my time with you just like I've been doing for the past several months.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7508656/
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What we deduce from scriptures about special days is; Sabbath is not a Christian mandate or Paul would have made that point clear;
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
When I married my SDA wife, I said to myself well what's the worst thing that could happen? Church on Sat and Sunday would only be more worship.....I'm all in.
Boy was I in for a rude awakening..........
Sheeze, I've sat for over 5years between SDA churches and protestant Churches. The worship part of the services is quite similar, but the Gospel and the doctrines are big difference.
Round and round we go and where we stop no body knows.
Remember, it's the carnal mind that is at emnity with God and refuses to keep His commandments.
Romans 8:6-8 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7508656/
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Even you recognize that we can and should worship 7 days a week.
So if you treat everyday as though it's the sabbath, and build your relationship with God with no significance on any day have you not entered into His rest?
The heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9) How can you possibly know someone else's heart when you don't even know your own? We worship God in spirit and in truth (John 4:24) knowing we can't hide anything from Him, and He can and will spot our hypocrisy a mile away.
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But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:23-24)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. (John 5:24-25)
When you have passed from death to life you will understand what those verses mean. What day did Jesus rise from the grave passing from death to life?
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Well, smart guy, get off the scammer-go-round.
The fact that your followup to my responses in your threads are not refutations, shows that you cant stand by your commentary.
By you asking more loaded questions or changing the subject expose your comments are as a smoke. I'm not amused because I spend days researching your myths.
Your usual "keyword" game to make a point, but you ignor the lessons in context of those scriptures you often post.
"By Paul saying "the law of God " in this text, it's talking about the law of spiritual life in Christ Jesus.
The texts you posted is explaining; that we're free from the law that defines sin and death (your ten.com)........ because the law could not give life. (your ten commandments)
Rom 8:2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Dont worry, I'll be here for you.
I dont expect you or your friends who isolate text to say, thank you for pointing that out.
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Although I won't make grandiose claims about what millions of people believe, there are many, many Christians like me who see no significance in Sunday. We understandably wonder what all of the fuss is about.
I was a sabbatarian for decades. I have no trouble saying that I have evaluated it fully from all angles. I am not here to take issue with you for your sabbath keeping, only your characterization of those who participate in corporate worship on Sunday. I am glad that the seventh-day sabbath is a blessing for you and I would never want to rob you of that blessing.
It might be good if you got to know people who attend church on Sunday, not so you can become more like them, but so you can relate to them and discuss their beliefs with a bit more humanity. If I'm not the right guy for you to talk to, I'm sure there are others who would be happy to engage in open, calm dialogue with you.
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How do you feel about dishonoring parents, adultery, murder, stealing, lying, worshiping other gods, using God´s name in vain, wroshiping statues?
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Byfaithalone1
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This question seems to be designed to convince me to view the sabbath as you do. In contrast with your question, I am not here to convince you to view the sabbath as I do. Rather, I am simply asking that you be careful in the way you characterize the beliefs of others. You seem to assume that non-sabbatarians view Sunday as the replacement sabbath. For many, this simply isn't true.
If you'd like to debate the sabbath, there are other forums where we are permitted to do that. I want to respect the fact that I'm not permitted to debate the sabbath in this forum.
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